Precum Consistency

[NeverWDb4]

Hi guys,
I've noticed that my 'precum' is more watery and similar to colorless pee. I know that typically precum is more thick and gloopy like syrup. Is this normal? I also produce the viscous type of pre but it's more rare than the watery type. Maybe the ratio is 1 bead of viscous pre to one water bottle lid diameter of watery pre. This has also raised questions whether this is semen or not and will ruin my WD chances as the tanks aren't fully loaded?

[DryGuy]

This has also raised questions whether this is semen or not and will ruin my WD chances as the tanks aren't fully loaded?

The loaded-tank theory is questionable anyway. I think it's equally likely that WDs are caused by purely psychological frustration. If you're compensating for the lack of ejaculation through other methods that don't result in ejaculation, while still satisfying the sexual urge psychologically, then you might be robbing yourself and wasting your time. Why are you even getting pre-cum? Think about it.

I've abstained with the idea that saving up semen is the key, and it hasn't worked at all. I wrote a post here detailing my experience with it, but deleted it because it was really unfocused and rambling. But to summarize... during my 36 day "ab streak" I had zero sexual dreams, then 2 weeks after I quit abstaining and went back to masturbation, I had a dry wet dream and several sexual dreams. I put it down to my masturbation sessions being crap since I came back, and a build-up of real sexual frustration. Where as during my 36 day "ab streak", I was playing with the denial and enjoying myself in spite of not ejaculating. And the disappointing take-away I have from that, is that there isn't a loop-hole in this where you can still find satisfaction in denial.

It seems for me, the only thing that encourages sexual dreams is my complete boredom with sexual matters along with a lack of sexual fulfillment. My previous abstaining attempts seem now like trying to have my cake and eat it too. I've surpassed 30+ days a few times now, and the only constant within my pattern of my failure seems to be enjoying it too much. So I submit that maybe if you're paying attention to pre-cum or even producing it, that maybe you've fallen into the same trap that I did.

Sorry if this reads as abrasive, it's not directed at you, it's just a heartfelt expression of my own frustration with loaded-tank theory. Maybe my brain is uniquely trollish and likes to annoy me by giving me what I most want when it's of the least use to me. Every night during my ab streak I'd have loved to have those dreams, but no, 2 weeks into crap masturbation is when my brain decides it's time to wake up from a sex-dream with ejaculation contractions.

[Texanguy]

I agree that the loaded-tank theory is very unlikely. Besides your evidence, there are guys who came here, mainly young, who had to wait weeks for a WD, but when they started to get them they had up to 3 WDs in a week, or even 2 WDs in one night, on a continuing basis. It's no doubt a brain function.

It also known that guys not MBing but not pursuing WDs may get a WD after seeing something arousing earlier that day. Maybe the same kind of things that might lead an MBer to MB. They might even feel guilty about the WD, but of course WDs are natural. One of the most prolific new WDers said that he increased his WD frequency by imagining having sex before going to sleep at night

So the relationship between arousal and WDs is more complex than being turned off outside of WDs. I think it's an issue of 'brain paths'. It looks like the WD brain path is natural and built in, but can 'wither' when MB comes along and the 'MB brain paths' get reinforced.

If somebody figured out a foolproof recipe to get WDs on demand, it would have become very popular by now. The best way appears to be AB. And if you look at the 'Quotes from guys who loved their WDs and compared to MB' page here, it seems like it can take some guys a long time to get regular WDs. But at least the guys in that page would never go back to MB.

[NeverWDb4]

This has also raised questions whether this is semen or not and will ruin my WD chances as the tanks aren't fully loaded?

The loaded-tank theory is questionable anyway. I think it's equally likely that WDs are caused by purely psychological frustration. If you're compensating for the lack of ejaculation through other methods that don't result in ejaculation, while still satisfying the sexual urge psychologically, then you might be robbing yourself and wasting your time. Why are you even getting pre-cum? Think about it.

I've abstained with the idea that saving up semen is the key, and it hasn't worked at all. I wrote a post here detailing my experience with it, but deleted it because it was really unfocused and rambling. But to summarize... during my 36 day "ab streak" I had zero sexual dreams, then 2 weeks after I quit abstaining and went back to masturbation, I had a dry wet dream and several sexual dreams. I put it down to my masturbation sessions being crap since I came back, and a build-up of real sexual frustration. Where as during my 36 day "ab streak", I was playing with the denial and enjoying myself in spite of not ejaculating. And the disappointing take-away I have from that, is that there isn't a loop-hole in this where you can still find satisfaction in denial.

It seems for me, the only thing that encourages sexual dreams is my complete boredom with sexual matters along with a lack of sexual fulfillment. My previous abstaining attempts seem now like trying to have my cake and eat it too. I've surpassed 30+ days a few times now, and the only constant within my pattern of my failure seems to be enjoying it too much. So I submit that maybe if you're paying attention to pre-cum or even producing it, that maybe you've fallen into the same trap that I did.

Sorry if this reads as abrasive, it's not directed at you, it's just a heartfelt expression of my own frustration with loaded-tank theory. Maybe my brain is uniquely trollish and likes to annoy me by giving me what I most want when it's of the least use to me. Every night during my ab streak I'd have loved to have those dreams, but no, 2 weeks into crap masturbation is when my brain decides it's time to wake up from a sex-dream with ejaculation contractions.

Don't worry, I didn't find your post to be abrasive. I somewhat resonate with your frustration as my sex dreams also do not come into fruition regarding WDs. I think my fixation of precum stems from my belief that AB will increase my amount as I do not leak as much compared to others. With reference to the loaded tank theory, it is weird as I feel that the body can get rid of unused semen through other avenues other than WDs. The feeling of a full tank is also subjective and puzzles me to this day to whether I am getting there or not.

For me, sexual matters will always come back no matter how much I try to restrain. It's as if I have been hijacked in the brain. I have tried hard to combat this but it sometimes gets too overwhelming that my sleep is extremely disturbed or I do weird stuff that are questionable after the episode.

I think my best bet for now is just to Ab for a long as possible and let nature do its thing, whether it's increasing my precum load or allowing me to have a WD or even changing my brain back to its natural mode.

[DryGuy]

If somebody figured out a foolproof recipe to get WDs on demand, it would have become very popular by now.

Some people have, but for themselves. Like a guy I know personally who can get them every 7 days if he wants, like clockwork, and he's older than me. I suppose once the wiring is there, you can figure out what works well with that. Dipke3's technique did work for a few people who were struggling before, but I'm wondering if he might have been right, but for the wrong reason. His reasoning was based around full-tank theory, but when you look at his technique, there's also an aspect of sexual frustration and built up psychological arousal. Within his framework the "arousal phase" was just a means to an end, to fill more sperm, but maybe it's the unreleased psychological tension that's doing the work.
I think it's likely both psychological pressure and some amount of physical fullness are both necessary, since the dry WD I experienced might well have not been dry if I hadn't been emptying myself out for 2 weeks. I woke up to the beginning of a physical ejaculation, my hips straightened and I began having dry ejaculation spasms, but they stopped right away. It's like my mind was ready, but my body was like nope, got nothing for ya'.

The other part of that, where if someone discovered it we'd know by now... I agree with the logic of it, but at the same time I think this is a pretty fringe endeavor. Most people aren't doing this for sport, and to the extent people are even thinking about the causes, it's all with a view towards making them stop. I just don't think there are many people working on the problem. Granted there may be no solution.

For me, sexual matters will always come back no matter how much I try to restrain. It's as if I have been hijacked in the brain. I have tried hard to combat this but it sometimes gets too overwhelming that my sleep is extremely disturbed

I get this too, the full feeling I get makes it hard to ignore. It's almost exhausting sometimes. One of the things I find relieving about quitting my ab streaks is just not having to think about it anymore. The disturbed sleep thing is also a drag. I am definitely coming around to the idea of mindset being very important (as Texanguy has often said), because the obsession I fall into seems to be both crap to deal with, and not working anyway. I'd probably have more success if I could completely put it out of my mind, but the physical pressure makes it impossible. Maybe part of why extremely long ab streaks eventually work for some people, is that they get accustomed to the fullness and become able to tune it out of their awareness completely.

[NeverWDb4]

Yeah, I think if you can change your lifestyle and tune it out of your daily schedule then you can truly enjoy the AB mentality way of life. For example, a week ago, I was extremely ill and had a major assignment due so my body was not fixated on anything related to sexual nature, be it mb, porn or even ab. I think that once you can trick your brain to fixate on something else (maybe not an illness but something beneficial like reading or mediating) then I wouldn't be as difficult personally for me to retain my AB streak without relapses and thoughts of doubt and shame. To put it shortly, healthy dopamine activities should replace the negative dopamine activities but that will obviously take time to change and rewire.

[Texanguy]

I agree that some amount of semen is necessary for a WD, but it is known that some guys might get a WD just hours after having sex. And some guys sometimes get 2 WDs in one night, or even 3. Guys ABing can also go for weeks or months without a WD (or MB) and then get several WDs in a row.

The body clearly has ways of handling excess fullness besides ejaculation. Hundreds of milllions of guys around the world don't MB, and they don't all go around feeling 'full' while building up to their next WD. It seems that the normal non-MBer WDer has a normal amount of semen stored up, and the body takes care of the excess in its normal non-ejaculatory ways.

The 'fullness' feeling from deliberately ABing to get a WD probably stems from over-arousal or edging.

Even though natural brain wiring for WDs exists, every brain is different. Just like with differences in general intelligence, athletic ability, or musical ability, some guys must be wired to get WDs more easily than others. But MB addiction seems to 'wither' whatever WD brain paths exist.

We also see that some guys who have WDs can't reach orgasm from MB even when they try. Some guys are worried that they are 'abnormal' because they only have WDs and are unable to MB.

One younger guy posted asking for 'help' since he was worried that something was wrong because he ejaculated while making out with his new girlfriend. The replies went from several recommendations to MB, to saying it's normal, to a few saying to 'enjoy it'. He completely ignored all the advice about MB, and instead embraced the fewer recommendations to enjoy it. He'd report back once in a while about enjoying it while still ignoring any new recommendations to control it through MB. The topic of WDs never came up, but it appeared that he had never acquired the MB habit and wasn't interested in it.

So there is a lot of variation out there. It suggests that AB building up the semen until it 'explodes' in a WD is simply not true. MB is simply one way to induce an ejaculation. If an MBer wants WDs, it seems best to to break the connection of ejaculation through MB and let natural horniness hopefully lead to WDs as the outlet. No 'fullness' necessary.