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Texanguy
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(9/7/03 11:22 am)
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Wet Dreams VII

Yep, time for a new one!

Texanguy
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(9/7/03 11:54 am)
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Digesting the new data on wet dreams vs masturbation

There was a post about a wet dream on another forum that Focus and I have been on. Here is his description:

"I had a VERY intense wet dream as a teenager. I was sleeping nude on my back and I suppose in my sleep my erection was throbbing greatly against the soft sheet covering me, thus providing some gentle physical stimulus. I had some kind of weird dream experience like I was floating about 4 or 5 feet above this beach in the south Pacific and there were hundreds of beautiful naked Polynesians all smiling and walking around happy. All of a sudden it was like an ocean wave of intense pleasure and dreaminess washed over me and I had this visual image of a long line shooting hundreds of feet away from my body down the beach. I guess this was my mind's way of imagining my ejaculation. It wound up splooged ALL over my belly and sheets, I mean buckets worth.

Based on my adult experience I'm guessing that the entire orgasm and afterglow cooldown probably lasted a good 2 or 3 minutes, no kidding, but bruddah it was intense and all over my entire body. I felt the throbbing or pulsating sensation of ejaculation for what seemed like minutes and minutes and the volume of sticky evidence bore this out."

This has common elements with both Mike's and Hoban's
wet dreams, and suggests an overall description of them. Let's define ejaculation as the physical act of expelling semen, and orgasm as the feelings at the peak of the experience, which usually is accompanied by ejaculation.

So compared to masturbation:
-In the dream, the orgasm is more intense, lasts longer, and involves the whole body.
-The ejaculation of semen as part of the orgasm also seems to go on and on in the dream.
-There seems to actually be a greater amount of semen expelled from the dream than in masturbation.
-Contrary to masturbation, after the dream there is at least as much, and perhaps even more intensity and ease of arousal than before the dream.
-Masturbation can leave you with a 'letdown' and loss of interest in further masturbation for a while. A wet dream leaves you excited, happy, and wanting another one as as soon as possible.

Would our resident wet dream experts who have also masturbated care to comment on this? (Magic too, even if his experience is different.) Does it seem pretty accurate? Anything to add?

brahms 28
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(9/7/03 12:17 pm)
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Very Similar

Hey Texanguy...

That dream is very similar to my fountain story.
What this guy describes, made me recall the exact feelings in my wet dream. It even made me very horny.

There are many things in common. I wonder if he got two types of semen as well. Because I pretty sure that the orgasm is particularly long in a wet dream, and that might be because one liquid is expelled after the other.


Hoban.
I hope you have a speedy recovery!.

Mike.


Mike.

Texanguy
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(9/7/03 11:59 pm)
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Question for all the wet dreamers here

What was (or normally is) your sleeping position when you have a wet dream? Are they all, most, or many while sleeping on your back?

I get the impression that a lot of wet dreams happen while sleeping on your back. If so, do you fall asleep on your back when you first go to sleep, or do you just find yourself on your back when you wake up from a wet dream?

Darwin
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(9/8/03 12:24 am)
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going to sleep

I'm glad I found you guys.

I'm 25, and I want to stop masturbating, too--or at least have more control over it--but the difficulty I'm having is that I can't go to sleep because I feel so aroused if I haven't had a release.

How do you guys deal with this?

focus
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(9/8/03 12:39 am)
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on back

Well, I'm not a regular wet dreamer (at least not yet ), but in my one and only wet dream, I was in fact sleeping on my back at the time of the wet dream. I also usually sleep on my back, or on my side.

On a seperate issue, I'm finding I'm getting more vivid, memorable dreams again, which I'm happy about. Last night, I had a short kinky erotic dream which I would rather not go into detail about because its embarrassing. It was very strange, but hit on a subject I had fantasized about while awake. It wasn't erotic enough to lead to a wet dream, or even close enough, but it certainly made me hard. I was pleased that I had a sexual dream for a change. Plus, I've had dreams I can remember for the past 3 nights in a row. I went from no dreams at all to getting them every night. I think it may be the giving up caffeine that is helping me get more dreams.

Now I just need these dreams to be wet dreams!

focus
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(9/8/03 12:51 am)
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Darwin

Darwin - welcome to our group here. Hopefully you will join us on our wet dream quest.


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but the difficulty I'm having is that I can't go to sleep because I feel so aroused if I haven't had a release.



Well, you may want to try sleeping pills. I don't know if anyone here uses them to help sleep.

My problem is the morning. I find I have been waking up early with a massive erection and extremely horny and aroused. And once I wake up like this, I can't fall back asleep again no matter what. My mind just races with sexual thoughts and I can't fall asleep then.

So, I haven't been getting full 8 hours of sleep that I need. Not sure how to resolve this issue, which I'm sure will only get worse as time goes on without me ejaculating.

Darwin
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(9/8/03 1:45 am)
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Thanks, but ...

Hey, focus, thanks for the advice, man, but I was kinda hoping that I could do this without medication.

It sounds like you and I have the same problem, but in reverse. I was hoping that I would get more used to not ejaculating as time passed, though, while it sounds like you continue to struggle with the pressure.

In the morning, when I can't go to sleep, I just write off that time and figure I have a head start on the day. But doesn't anyone else here have a difficult time going to sleep at night because of "sexual thoughts," as focus put it?

Texanguy
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(9/8/03 9:12 am)
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Darwin

Welcome. I think that you can get used to it and start falling asleep more easily.

I remember one of our group here, Hoban, was having a similar problem, but now he seems quite comfortable, and is waiting for his second wet dream.

You might try warm milk (it has a natural relaxant), or avoiding caffeine for several hours before going to bed. What I have found for myself was that some night you will just be so tired that rather than 'remind' yourself that you haven't been masturbating and are turned on by it, you just want to forget about all of that and just go to sleep. Over time, it will become easier.

I'm a bit older, but I've found for myself that after a while no matter how turned on I've been during the day, or how aroused I get over night, I can usually fall asleep very easily.

So if you are motivated, stick with it for a while. Good luck!

Texanguy
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(9/8/03 9:59 am)
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Focus

That's interesting that you are having more dreams, and that it may be related to eliminating caffeine. That may be a real contributing factor to having wet dreams. perhaps I should try that as well. We want everything to be 'optimal' for the brain to start it's new way of having orgasms.

My 'theories' imply that once the brain learns its new way, and if that is the only way it gets them, it will get easier and easier. Magic probably gets his wet dreams no matter what he does. But still, at the beginning everything should be done to help.

I remember seeing a person hypnotized on TV, and being told that a pencil was actually a burning cigarette. When the guy was touched by the pencil he felt burned, and got red there as if it were really a burn.

So I do think that the right visualization techniques done regularly would help get wet dreams. Mike was essentially doing that by deferring masturbation and imagining a better orgasm in a wet dream.

Perhaps something like: "I'm getting more and more wet dreams lately. The feelings are incredibly intense and enjoyable. They are so much better than masturbation that they are the only orgasms worth having. I enjoy every one I have, and I am getting more and more. Masturbation is a pale and inadequate imitation. It's pretty dumb to masturbate when wet dreams are so much better".

Thinking or reading something like that several times a day might help. Maybe even out loud. I think Mike and Hoban would agree that it also has the advantage of being pretty truthful, as well.

Ronald WDM
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(9/8/03 10:15 am)
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Welcome Darwin

Welcome to our forum, Darwin! I like to listen to soft music to help me get to sleep at night. I think it's helped Hoban too. I also count backwards sometimes. Can I ask how long you've gone with masturbating? It usually gets easier as time goes by. I wish you the best in quitting it.

I usually wake up from wet dreams as well as other times on my back, even though I go to sleep on my sides.

Well hopefully someone will get lucky with us starting "Wet Dreams VII" now. Good luck to everyone in your quest!

Texanguy
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(9/8/03 11:05 am)
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Ronald and others

Ronald, maybe Wet Dreams 7 will be the lucky number for all of us!

It's interesting that most if not all wet dreams seem to occur while a person is sleeping on his back. My few wet dreams years ago were also on my back. Yet I usually can't fall asleep that way, and I think Mike said the same thing about the way he falls asleep.

The question is, then, whether purposefully sleeping on you back would help. It may just be that people naturally move to their back during some REM sleep, and what position you first fall asleep in won't affect. Who knows?

Darwin
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(9/8/03 6:30 pm)
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hmm...

Ronald:
The last time was this past Saturday.

Focus:
I was reading over the site and I realized you're circumcised. You seem to know alot about guys' equipment, so I have a question for you that maybe you can answer: I'm circumcised as well, and I had heard that circumcised guys should apply lotion to their head so as to preserve sensitivity. I know that now is not the time for either of us to be applying lotion to that particular part of our bodies, but supposing we can get to the point that we aren't as easily excited, what kind of lotion do you think would be best, if any?

Thanks for you guys' help. I've tried to stop before, and I don't really have anyone to serve as a kind of "accountability partner." I don't think masturbation is inherently wrong, but I'm hoping that you guys will be an inspiration to me to learn some self-discipline.

focus
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(9/8/03 10:34 pm)
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Darwin

Darwin -


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I'm circumcised as well, and I had heard that circumcised guys should apply lotion to their head so as to preserve sensitivity.



I don't think lotion is going to do much for the head in terms of improving sensitivity. For one thing, the lotion will always rub off on any clothing that you are wearing, so there's no way for it to stay on the head for long periods of time.

To understand why I don't think lotion will do anything, you need to understand what the head (glans) skin is supposed to be like, and what the foreskin does to protect it.

The glans of course is naturally protected by the foreskin, and covers the glans almost all the time except during sexual activity. Circumcision of course removes the foreskin and keeps the glans exposed all the time. The skin of the glans is most similar to that of inside of your cheek. It's normally smooth and very moist. The skin cells of the glans are designed to be in a moist environment, which the foreskin provides. When we are circumcised and the glans is permanently exposed to the air and clothing, it starts to keratinize, which is a thickening, hardening, drying, desensitizing, and cracking of the glans skin. All circumcised penises have a keratinized glans. A keratinized glans is less sensitive than a natural glans that is covered by the foreskin.

The problem with applying lotion to the circumcised glans is that the lotion would likely only be on there for a few hours at a time before it rubs off on clothing, or dries up itself. To regain a fully sensitive glans that is moist all the time, you really need a foreskin. The foreskin traps the moisture in the glans, and prevents clothing, air, or anything else from rubbing against the glans and drying it out.

So if you really want a fully sensitive glans, you should look into foreskin restoration. Its a lot of time, work (non-surgical foreskin restoration), or money (surgical foreskin restoration), but some guys who have done it are very pleased with their new sensitivity in their glans.

There is a company out there that sells a protective sleeve for the circumcised penis called the "Man Hood". It's like a sock type thing that fits over the penis and keeps the head from rubbing against clothing. I don't think it works well for providing the needed moisture though. So I doubt it does much, but it is an option.

MagicMurdock
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(9/8/03 11:41 pm)
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Sleep on back

I had never thought about the sleeping on back may increase/decrease the amount of wet dreams one has. I for one almost always sleep on my back, I fall asleep the easiest that way, honestly for me though, my wet dreams while on my back are usually the most powerful, but probably about 1/2 the time I have a wet dream, I'm laying on my stomach (I fall asleep on my back, but must roll over in the middle of the night).

I've never tried to increase wet dreams, but things that make me have them more often are....

Drinking water right before I go to sleep (sounds weird, but when i drink water right before going to sleep the frequency increases)

Obvioussly, when I'm aroused strongly right before I go to sleep I tend to have more

If I am really frusturated or really excited I seem to have wet dreams more too, now come to think about it, and while it used to be the other way around, sleeping in new places seems to increase my frequency.

Wearing my silk, or thin underwear while I sleep increases my frequency, while wearing something tight seems to decrease the frequency....

That's about it, maybe you found those a bit interesting, or those of you wanting to have more, could go out and buy some silk boxers, drink some water before you go to sleep, and try sleeping in new places....

Those increase my potency as it were, so, if any of you try those for a week or two, tell me if your results are different.

Texanguy
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(9/9/03 1:00 am)
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Magic

Thanks for the information and recommendations. There's nothing like getting 'practical information' from an experienced wet dreamer.

There definitely seems to be something to sleeping on your back to get wet dreams, since many people seem to have them that way, but I don't know why. You get them so easily that perhaps for you it affects the intensity more than the frequency

We can try to develop theories and explanations for the correlations we find, but the correlations themselves exist independent of our attempts to explain them. I suppose it's possible that drinking water might help make more semen. From postings here and elsewhere, it does seem that more semen is expelled in a wet dream than in masturbation. Long arousal time before the actual ejaculation can add to the volume, and that may be helped by having more water in your system.

I wonder if arousal, excitement, frustration, and sleeping in new places all have some element in common, such as creating a slightly disturbed sleep pattern or tendency to dream more?

By the way, do you tend to remember your nonsexual dreams much? The guys here who just recently had wet dreams find them extremely memorable. But after many years of frequent wet dreams, do you find that yours are more memorable or vivid than your nonsexual dreams? Do you notice any other differences (other than the cleanup)?

Thanks again for your input. Perhaps you might monitor your patterns and see if you notice anything else. And please let us know your thoughts, conjectures, and theories in general.

Are you a college student? What are you majoring in?

Texanguy
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(9/9/03 10:17 pm)
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Where the Dickens is Dickenson?

I'm sure I'm not the only on who misses Dickenson's long and enthusiastic posts, with his questions, comments and ideas.

Wherefore art thou, dude?

Darwin
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(9/9/03 10:27 pm)
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Time and precum

Well, guys, it's been about four days since I last relieved myself, and this is just about the longest I've ever lasted!! I don't feel as horny as I did last time I tried to stop, but I think that's because I'm busier now than I was then. I rested better last night than I did the night before, too, but I think that's because I was sooo tired from not sleeping much the night before.

Does increased precum mean you're less likely to have a wet dream? I'm getting a little more than I used to get, and I'm wondering if losing it that way reduces the chances of a wet dream.

Thanks for you guys' encouragement.

Darwin
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(9/9/03 11:13 pm)
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By the way, focus . . .

Thanks for the info, bro, and good luck with your endeavor to have a wet dream.

Texanguy
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(9/9/03 11:44 pm)
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Darwin

More precum means more arousal. It hasn't been too clear how much waking arousal affects the liklihood of wet dreams, but we've been recently joined by MagicMurdock, a guy who has never masturbated and has frequent wet dreams. He gets precum, and he gets waking arousal and erections. He says he is more likely to get a wet dream if he has been aroused before going to sleep. (Magic, please feel free to comment and/or correct me.)

On the other hand, I think it's possible that a person who isn't having wet dreams, and is used to inducing orgasms voluntarily while awake, may keep the focus on having arousal and orgasm while awake, and might possibly discourage having orgasms the 'new' way, while asleep.

The two new wet dreamers here had lots of precum, but their rate of wet dreams are nowhere near Magic's.

So the answer is that having lots of precum won't prevent wet dreams, but whether it slightly increases or decreases the odds is not clear. Given that you probably can't do much about it, I wouldn't worry about it. I'm sure it's better than being completely unaroused all the time.

Good luck!

focus
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(9/10/03 12:42 am)
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precum

Quote:

Does increased precum mean you're less likely to have a wet dream? I'm getting a little more than I used to get, and I'm wondering if losing it that way reduces the chances of a wet dream.



God, I hope not! Because I've been dripping precum like crazy. Over the course of a day, I drip at least 2 teaspoons of the stuff, no joke. Probably more. Since I quit masturbating, I've been precumming like mad. It seems like it increases each day.

From what I understand, the Cowper's glands that produce precum are about the size of a pea, and there's only 2 of them. How two little pea sized glands can produce so much fluid is beyond me.

Since precum isn't ejaculated with regular semen, and is entirely different stuff, I'm assuming how much you precum isn't going to affect your ability to get a wet dream, since the regular semen build up is unaffected.

Darwin - thanks for the encouragement - good luck to you too in getting a wet dream!

Today was a rough day for me BTW. The temptation to masturbate was almost unbearable when I got a sudden erection during the day while changing clothes (I usually don't get spontaneous erections during the day). But I kept it together and I'm going on 11 days now...

Darwin
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(9/10/03 1:11 am)
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Hold on!!!

Hey, focus, hold on, man. I know it's rough.

I'm having the same feelings in that I'm having a difficult time not touching my penis.

When I have an erection during moments like changing my clothes, and I don't want to masturbate, I do my best to pretend like it's not there. If I get my clothes on and get on with the day, he settles down, and nothing happens.

On the other hand, if I decide to take the time to just edge it, or "massage" it, then I get into trouble. And that is exactly how all of my previous efforts to stop ended. I figure that adhering to this rule--albeit a very difficult rule--is the key.

I'm hoping that I can hold on this time, since I've never had a wet dream, at least as far as I can recall. The closest was when I had a dream about this girl I had met. In my dream she was wearing heels (a big turn-on!), as well as regular professional attire (why nothing more exotic?). I woke up sweaty, but I don't think that I came before I woke up. I only recall waking up incredibly horny, and I still remember that as one of the best feelings I've ever had.

We need to stick together here. From what I've read on these boards, all the other guys have got each other's back on this, and wishing for each other's success. I appreciate that, and I'm sure you'll do fine, focus.

Ronald WDM
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(9/10/03 1:31 am)
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Re: Hold On!!!

Yes just keep holding on, Focus and Darwin. I'm behind you all the way. Just take it one day at a time. That's what we're here for. I'm hoping you can both have a wet dream sooner or later.

Yes I miss Dickenson too. He's a nice guy. I hope to her from him again soon.

Well good luck to everyone, wherever you are!

Texanguy
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(9/10/03 2:49 am)
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Focus and Darwin

Hang in there, guys! It CAN be done!

I'd like to point out that it's more psychological than physical. As Focus well knows, it only takes a few days to get a 'full load'. I'm quite sure that awareness of how long it's been is a big factor. In spite of what you guys might be feeling, the human body is quite capable of going indefinitely without forcing orgasms.

Think of it as trying to kick a habit -- because that's exactly what it IS! Masturbation is as much of a habit as smoking is. It even has at least one negative consequence to it -- no wet dreams. After long enough, everyone here has found it starts getting pleasurable not to masturbate. You might have to resist once in a while, but it WILL get easier.

Think about Mike and Hoban and how they made it and got their wet dreams. They had trouble resisting at first. Hoban complained about how hard (both meanings) it was and asked advice about how to get to sleep. Now he can. Once again, it CAN be done! It's much easier for them now.

After Hoban's wet dream, think about his answer to my question:
Q. Was it worth it?
A. Absolutely!
I think it would be pretty hard to talk him into masturbating these days. Masturbate? No thanks, he'd rather have a wet dream!

Dickenson's desire to masturbate has turned into enjoying his feelings and erections while waiting for a wet dream. Even I, the older guy, who could have an orgasm just from arousal, has gotten used to not masturbating. You will start to enjoy this 'new life', too.

Try thinking of the psychological aspect like this: If you were in a POW camp, not eating enough, not sleeping enough, and being whipped every day, it just wouldn't matter how long it had been since you were masturbating. It would be the last thing on you mind.

There is no need to masturbate!

You can fight it, and you can win. If not now, when? Get over it guys! Join us! Kick that habit! Get used to not masturbating, then let the wet dreams begin!

focus
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(9/10/03 12:24 pm)
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thanks guys

Thanks for all the encouragement. It is a nice feeling to know we're all in this together, experiencing the same feelings and urges, and watching our backs.

I'm doing much better today - I'm not feeling as horny as I was yesterday, haven't had much precum leak out so far today, and no erections, except the usual morning wood, and a bunch last nite.

Well, I'm off to the gym now to work off all my sexual aggressions...

brahms28
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(9/10/03 4:36 pm)
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Hola Compañeros

Hey!

How is it going. Just came by to say hello to all of you.

Focus... I'm glad you made it yesterday. I guess you are going trhough the most difficult days. Stay with us!

I haven't had a sign of a we dream yet. I'll keep waiting.
And to be completely honest, it has become easier an easier to resist masturbation. I don't even think too much now about it. Yet, I'm anxiously waiting for my second wet dream.

I had a little trouble two days ago when shaving my pubis, (it was way to hairy to just leave it that way... I was embarrased to show myself naked in front of my friends... I had to do it..!)

Since then, when I look at my penis, it looks very big, and I am always tempted to see it hard... Then it beocmes very difficult to resist. But if I don't look down in the mirror, everything is ok.

Keep it up guys...! We can make it!

HURRA A LOS SUEÑOS HUMEDOS!

Texanguy
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(9/10/03 6:08 pm)
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Mike

Glad to hear from you. That's interesting that you hardly think about masturbating, but are still eager for your next wet dream. I'm sure you won't have to wait much longer for it

You are beginning to sound like those nonmasturbators I've read postings from on the web who enjoy their wet dreams and don't like masturbating. It may just be the way 'mother nature' intended. I wonder what it will feel like after 5 or 10 wet dreams and no masturbating?

Do you shave your pubes all off? It seems to be something that is getting more and more popular at US gyms.

Texanguy
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(9/10/03 6:16 pm)
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Miguel

Come se dice "HURRA A LOS SUEÑ

focus
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(9/10/03 6:57 pm)
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Photo album?

Hey guys, you still interested in this photo album or what? I haven't received e-mail or photos from anyone except for Ron, and I though some of you were all excited about it. I got the web page running, but its just me and Ron on there, because no one else sent their photos in.

If you don't want to send your photo in, that's fine, but just let me know one way or the other. Or, if you think I should scrap the whole idea, let me know that too.



Mike - good to hear from you. I know what you mean about shaving the pubes - that's why I'm not going to trim or shave them at all - shaving would be way too stimulating, and things would definitely get out of hand. I never really shaved my pubes anyway, just my shaft once a week. But now I don't shave that either. Going for the natural look

Darwin
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(9/10/03 7:24 pm)
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Bad timing

How's this for bad timing, guys: today I got a Frederick's catalog in the mail.

I think I'd better go on and throw that away.