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Of course, but shit happens. Same as a judge isn't in the crime scene, but they have proof and evidence, and the veredict will be made thanks to that.

On this particular case we have Jesus tales of resurrection written in some papers, on the other hand we have the laws of nature.

Seriously, if you want to believe in that and feel special by doing so, go for it, but I honestly don't know how to take this resurrection thing seriously. And please avoid analogies about "drawing a 'cube' on a whiteboard" and stuff, thats kinda weak.

I'm surprised you 99chan-ers still have the heart to debate someone you all deem to be a total idiot.

Miracles only break the laws of nature if you are a Naturalist. In my worldview the total system consists not only of Nature, but also of Supernature, which could feed events into Nature. Try this analogy:

"The behavior of fishes which are being studied in a
tank makes a relatively closed system. Now suppose that the tank is shaken
by a bomb in the neighborhood of the laboratory. The behavior of the
fishes will now be no longer fully explicable by what was going on in the
tank before the bomb fell: there will be a failure of backward
interlocking. This does not mean that the bomb and the previous history of
events within the tank are totally and finally unrelated. It does mean
that to find their relation you must go back to the much larger reality
which includes both the tank and the bomb--the reality of wartime England
in which bombs are falling but some laboratories are still at work. You
would never find it within the history of the tank. In the same way, the
miracle is not *naturally* interlocked in the backward direction. To find
out how it is interlocked with the previous history of Nature you must
replace both Nature and the miracle in a larger context. Everything *is*
connected with everything else: but not all things are connected by the
short and straight roads we expected." --C.S. Lewis, excerpt from "Miracles"

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I was brought up into Christianity and have only started to question it more now that I'm older and none of it really makes sense anymore...
Isn't being christian technically living by the fear of burning in hell...? If you sinned all you want and didn't give a shit but still wound up in heaven, then why would you try to be a "good christian"? To me it seems like it's because you're scared of living in eternal torment. And that seems to be the only reason. Plus you always feel as if you are guilty or have something to hide whenever you sin, yet if you hadn't been brought up into Christianity in the first place, the sin would mean absolutely nothing to you and wouldn't affect your life at all! (ex = masturbation). I guess this is mostly for Bonbon, because I can't imagine you dodging a simple straight forward question like this as you did for the majority of the past ones.

Cheers!

LOL I'm glad you're here to test my dodging skills. As you can see from my arguments with Squeeze, I'm not exactly the conventional Christian. Many modern Fundamentalists would answer your question in the following manner:

Romans 5:20 states that "...But where sin increased, grace increased all the more, so that, just as sin reigned in death, so also grace might reign through righteousness to bring eternal life through Jesus Christ our Lord."

So yes, you can sin all you want and still go to heaven! God's grace is bigger than anything you can imagine. But (here's the catch) if you truly believe that God loves you and died for you on the cross, there's no way you'd keep sinning like there's no tomorrow. For instance if a dear friend took a bullet for you, there's no way you'd spit on his dead body; on the contrary, you'd make efforts to honor his life. So if you claim to be a Christian, but have no remorse whatsoever when you sin and hurt Christ, then you haven't truly grasp 'the Good News.'

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And this is my own personal opinion:

It's a childish notion to think that hell is literally a warehouse full of lit Bunsen burners. Fundamentally, hell is the absence of God. So if you don't care about God at all, then hell is the place you want to be in. Problem solved.

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I think part of the issue is the motivation to conduct yourself in a civilized manner. It seems to be assumed by Christians that the only motivation for conducting yourself in a civilzed manner is to a) avoid going to hell, or b) please god and reap the reward of being with him in heaven. Implicit in that is the idea that if god didn't exist, people would have no morals, no principles, no ethics, etc.

So what would happen if Christians discovered proof that god did not exist? Would they start stealing, raping, lying, cheating, and murdering each other?

If you walk by a bank, is the only reason you don't rob it because god will punish you? If you see someone you are attracted to, is the only reason you don't rape them on the spot because god will be displeased? If so, isn't that an extremely immature and childish view of the world? It is much like a 5 year old avoiding certain behaviors simply because he might get caught and spanked.

Real ethics, morals, principles, ethics, etc exist independent of god (although you could argue that god built them into our natures). You don't have to be looking for a reward in heaven to want to give food to a hungry friend or stranger. You don't have to be looking for a reward in heaven to decide that murder is wrong, or that it is outside your belief system to steal from others. Basically, you don't have to be looking for a reward in heaven to come to the realization that the Golden Rule makes sense, to be able to understand and sympathize with others, and to treat others with respect.

Christians don't have a monoply on virtues and a belief in a moral and ethical life. I would submit that 'behaving yourself' only because god will reward you really means that you have no internal ethics, standards, or code of behavior of your own. Christians can indeed get beyond that point, but it is a rather immature, childish, selfish, and egocentric view of the world to behave in a civilized manner only because god will punish you (or you won't be with him in heaven) if you don't. You can indeed develop your own code of standards and behavior for their own sake, without looking for a reward in heaven.

The examples you used were so out of context. I'm not retarded, people who aren't religious don't just rape people or rob banks, really? I'm saying in terms of things like masturbation obviously and related "sins" that have no apparent harm yet are deemed to be so bad that you completely turn yourself from god,etc.

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