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The Bible does not blatantly say that MB is a sin. However, the Bible wants us to be in control of our bodies, and not let our bodies control us. The Bible states that in marriage that your body isn't really yours, it belongs to your wife, and your wifes body belongs to you. Men who end up being chronic masturbators tend to have a dull sex life with their wife. When you abstain for masturbation you will desire your wife more for sexual pleasure.

The goal is to focus on sexual intimacy not sexual intensity!

Just my thoughts.

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Well said boys, well said. I'm a Christian, and masturbation has consumed me for years. I'm trying to get back to the basics and am on another attempt to abstain. Your prayers and encouragement are welcome.

Well if this thread hasn't become a loud, annoying, comment bash!

The modern world view holds masturbation in it's most secure command bunker, never wanting the enemy forces to take it away from them. It's so precious to them. To the modern world view, it's a superb example of people calling something sinful when "no sin exists". They see religion as trying to make vile this normal, everyday act.

Medical journals compare masturbation to cracking one's knuckles--just something harmless you do to "relieve stress". Popular magazines and forums declare masturbation as a way to see "what works for you" and will never admit that the practice does anything but improve your regular sex life. Anthropology and sociology see masturbation as a way we explore our own sexuality--and just one of many avenue to explore with. (I guess sexuality is a popular topic in those fields of study).

Looking at what so many sources say about MB can sure make me take a second look at my "christian" value of regarding masturbation as an unnecessary, spiritually damaging, relationship wounding sin of self-abuse. Most holders of the modern world view (scientists for instance) would scoff at what I just called masturbation. "Self-abuse! Why, if that isn't the biggest load of pretentious mumbo-jumbo...!!"

Well those guys can just stuff it. I know how weird it sounds, but I choose (that's right, choose. You can't take my free-will away) to believe that I would be better off spiritually, emotionally, sexually and socially if I steered clear of masturbation through life-style changes and self-discipline.

So there, Mr. Sagan. So there.

Just to play devil's advocate... likewise, your detractors can choose to masturbate if they want to and I would argue that there should be no law against that! Although I personally see masturbation as undesirable and potentally fraught with many problems, etc., like many other conservative, Evangelical Christians (including people like Dr. James Dobson) I don't consider it to be necessarily sinful in-and-of-itself, and it is pretty much somthing that every guy will try at some point or another and so is probably almost necessary at some point for one to get more familiar w/his sexual response, but as a habit it is bad and lusting w/it can be wrong, etc., etc.

Basically, I would say it is a grey area that is dangerous but I cannot honestly say that absolutely every time I have masturbated I was sinning. If it was a sin like fornication, lying, etc., the Bible would have addressed it specifically like it does pretty much everything else that is always wrong. After all, masturbation is in no way a "new" invention! So, all I'm saying is it's not a good thing and can very easily become sinful, but it is very important to not make Scripture say something it doesn't say, that devalues Scripture and subjects it too much to our own personal opinion; things like this should be discussed but ultimately are left to personal conviction, like alcohol, keeping the Sabbath, etc. Is it possible that God's will might not be the same for everyone in this issue, and may change over time w/varying life circumstances?

I believe these sites COULD be the answer to MB or not MB...(It could)
But if u think otherwise...that's fine with me
I'm a Christian and I pretty much MBed too, but now i started abstraining coz i miss my WDs
NOT that becoz i thought that it is sinning

http://www.healthystrokes.com/christian.htm
http://www.layhands.com/IsMasturbationASin.htm

Those are very interesting articles. Especially the Layhands.com site's article. It purports the idea that perhaps masturbation is not a sin, addiction to masturbation is. I'll have to ponder on this.

I believe that mb itself is not a sin at all unless it takes away from you wife/hubby, or if your not married letting mb take over your life that's outside your pants. Now if you want to mb or stop mb-ing that is your choice. As for the Bible I have never found where mb is a sin. But one should keep a balance between life and mb.

I think of Flavor Flav from Nite Tales so i won't masterbate...its works.

Hmmm...

Blown about by every wind, that's me...

It would now seem that I am of the opinion at the moment that masturbation is bad and wrong because it cannot help but take away from the love, joy, and intimacy between one and ones spouse. From a religious standpoint, masturbation is the Devil's mimicry of the holy and just and righteous expression of love between couples. (my local spiritual leader told me that, in a one-on-one conversation.) Instead of being selfless and bonding, the self-gratifying act is pleasure-seeking and inwardly focused. It's about the flesh and the joys of the flesh instead of the joys of intimacy. Of another.

Now, watch out, this is all coming from me: a never-married/virgin/never-even-kissed! So... maybe I have no idea what I'm talking about and I have this silly notion that sex in a loving marriage is just so super-great, and the rest of the world is correct that sex is just something to help sell shoes, burgers, cars, and hair gel.

I hear what you're sayin' ExtMdnght, but I do think that us Christians can often overspiritualize things. I'm also a virgin, etc., but with all respect, what I think you and your leader are describing is a married man who has let masturbation replace his sexual relationship w/his wife, and who has probably lost the intimacy factor in several areas of his relationship. Now, I don't think a married man (or woman) should be masturbating (unless its somehow part of foreplay), but let's say that his wife is having a difficult pregnancy or one of them is out of town for a month, etc. Is a quick tug of the jug (esp if the spouse knows abt it and is cool w/it) to relieve some pressure and to help him from looking at waitresses the wrong way "the devil's mockery of intimacy," etc.? (Now, we're assuming there is no porn involved) Personally, I don't think so. Likewise, if a horny teen is wanking one out real quick every now and then to keep his nuts from exploding the same thing as if he was a porn addict, beating it 3Xs a day? Not exactly. There is context to everything, especially these grey areas. Life in black and white is easier, but it's not always Biblical--some things we need to really seek the Lord on, realizing that his will for us may be different at different times and for different people. (For these "grey areas")

As for marital sex, again, not speaking from experience, but from guys I know who are married and "doing it," they say, sure sometimes sex is this mind-blowing experience of intimacy and pleasure and a visit to the third heaven like every virgin guy imagines it will be, but sometimes (perhaps a lot of times) sex is just sex. Just like sometimes playing w/your bits is this amazing, drawn out thing, with an earth-shattering orgasm, and other times its a 30 second wank and you're on with your day.

But marital intimacy (like w/any relationship) occurs on so many levels, sex is only one of them, and is best--so I hear and imagine--when the others are in place. So, it's not the end all end all, but neither is it insignificant.

Personally, I am trying to not MB bec it has become this addictive thing for me where it HAS become a false idol, drawing me away from other, better, more important things in life. I'm not doing it 5xs a day or anything, but it is out of proportion, and yes, I do believe the ideal is no MB and WDs as my preferred sexual outlet, while single. And I'm aiming for the ideal. But that is different than saying that the horny 16 year old on the verge of blue balls is sinning every time he rubs one out, or that his doing so in that case has anything to do with intimacy, devaluing marriage, setting up idols in his heart, etc.

guys I lost my virginity at 17 obviously outside marriage. been one of the best experiences of my life ever. felt like nothing else during and after the act. done it more than a couple of times already and im still not married, gets better everytime.

how much hell is that?

thanks for the info

Honest Christian answer is having pre-marital sex isn't the primary issue. Not having a relationship w/Christ is! God loves you and wants to have a relationship with you, and Jesus of Nazareth showed us the way to that, and verified it through his life, teachings, miracles, death, and resurrection. We all mess up and fall so short of God's standard. And that's why he sent his Son to us, to bring reconciliation. What are you going to do with that? That's the question/issue. Hell is separation from God. We either chose to receive his love, or reject it (and him, our lover). Why would anyone want to do that? :doh: :)

huh, but i couldnt feel better as i am now, honestly. i plan to keep having sex outside marriage, not even really consindering marrying at all, only if my gf feels like it. dont need marriage to love another person really.

the question is, why would anyone think that some god is watching you while you have sex with your girl, ruining the intimacy? doesnt that make god the ultimate perv voyeour ever? (since he can see every single person ever at the same time)

cheers

lol sorry for crashing into this thread, but no one's replying in the other one!



I think the real question should be "why would anyone think that God ISN'T watching you?" And the answer to that question is that such a person is on attempts to create his 'own little intimate world' with his lover--a world where their erotic passion becomes god "[a]nd opposition [to their actions] makes them feel like martyrs". On such grounds they boastfully disregard the Tao, doing so "in the name of love". Such is the result of corrupted Eros.



God is not sexually attracted to us.

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i dont have time atm to write much and looks like the other dude got bored



it feels forced to me to think that "god is watching me", it doesnt come naturally to me, and doesnt when trying to see a more logical reason that makes any sense to do so, im sorry. i dont deny or aprove "a god/creator/inteligent designer/whatever" that is totally irrelevant to any possible religion, since any religion as it is mankind's product (unless you have the faith that it takes to think the opposite). So, even less to think that god who is watching me is the christian god and not other god, and then act according to this religion rules, and live your entire life following these rules hoping you have faith "in the right god" avoiding hell (whatever you consider hell etcet). if you are really happy with that and by a mixture of reading books and "teh faith" you feel christ inside you, then good for you.



cool story bro.
dude, you should read less cs lewis lol. no offense at all, but sometimes i get why some christian people is still a virgin at 26+. imho you should take it easier man, i wasnt trying to get anal philosophist mode on it like at the other thread. dont have time for that atm anyway, finals are soon.


lol thats good to know

your finals are definitely more important than this little thread, but your quest for truth is even more important still! just remember that God loves you and will always welcome you should you choose to turn to Him. good luck on finals

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haha
hope you are trolling there.

Hey, dude. Yeah, I ditto Bonbon's response on God not being sexually attracted to us, ha ha. God did, however, design our bodies and the whole idea of sex (and romance, and love, and friendship, and pleasure and everything else that is good) and so, I don't think He is put off by such expressions, either. Remember, He is not human (Jesus aside, but let's keep it simple for now!), He is primarily Spirit, so we can't pigeonhole God in our own puritanical frameworks of sexuality or emotional experiences or aversions, etc. Not in the same way.

But re: your description of your current relationship and sex life, I must not have made my initial point clear enough. I'm really not talking about your pre-marital or non-marital sex life. I'm addressing the fact that you don't have or even seem to think one can have something like a relationship w/God. Hell, as I understand it, is a future state of being forever divorced from that present opportunity. That has very little to do with your sex life! Like I said before, having non-marital sex isn't what separates us from God or "sends us to hell." Sexual morality is such a small issue in comparison to our greater need for starting that relationship w/Him.

What Bonbon and I are suggesting is that God isn't some "watchmaker" up in the sky or some impersonal force, watching us "from a distance" occasionally, but who normally keeps to Himself out on Planet X somewhere. In fact, even if you believe that God IS primarily an impersonal "force" or life-essence or mana or whatever term one likes, you will still have to agree w/my next point--that God is omnipresent, a fancy way to say that He is present everywhere. So, yes, God is there when you have sex, when you take a dump, when you go for a walk, when you are taking a final, when you are at work, etc. And He is also where you are not. (He is not dependent upon humans to be somewhere--go down to the ocean floor or out into space, and he is there, too.) He is everywhere. For the Christian, we also experience Him as dwelling inside of us in a special way. This knowledge is sobering, sure, but ultimately it's comforting to those who love HIm, since God's primary expression to us is love. He is our source of strength, an ever present help in times of trouble, and the ultimate source of joy in the good times. :o

lol, dude.

if it helps you being inside a group called "Christians" and think you can experience God inside you, thats ok for me, if it helps you, good for you. But you said it already "hell, as I understand it". I understand that in order to your Christian worldview to make sense you need to believe what you said as "is a future state of being forever divorced from that present opportunity", but the fact is that its not true, im sorry. Look: "I deny the Holy Spirit unlimited times". Flashing news: I am as happy with my life as I was before, in between, and after saying this. Now, if you want to think I am in hell now/not happy/that I said it "without meaning it"/whateva, or somehow you are sure that im going to hell in the obvious afterlife etc, so Christianity makes sense to you, then go ahead lol, but i guarantee you that if you do, you are lying to yourself.

When you say, "Look: "I deny the Holy Spirit unlimited times". Flashing news: I am as happy with my life as I was before, in between, and after saying this. Now, if you want to think I am in hell now/not happy/that I said it "without meaning it"/whateva..." -- Lazery, what on earth are you talking abt?! :) That sentence made absolutely no sense to me; please clarify what you meant!

As far as hell is concerned, I'm not saying that you are "in hell" now, I clearly defined it as a future potential state, not a present one. I tried to boil the concept down to its most basic idea, because not all Christians understand hell/gehenna/hades, etc. in the same exact way.

But my main point here isn't abt hell (and neither is Scripture's) but rather that there is a real God who loves you and desires a relationship with you. You keep on talking about being happy. I don't doubt that you are happy right now, at least some of the time. As far as sin is concerned, the Bible is very realistic--it says that sin "for a season" is pleasurable. If it wasn't, why would people do it? But you talk about happiness like it's some ongoing, continual state for you. You have either lived a very privileged and perhaps sheltered life a la Marie Antoinette, OR are painting your life with a thick, extra glossy coat of rose-colored paint. Whoever said that life promises you happiness, even from an entirely "secular" perspective? That is delusional. Turn on CNN or the BBC news for a few minutes. "Happiness" is an emotional state, and emotions are affected by all kinds of things: situations, perceptions, hormones, even one's cultural norms. Christianity doesn't promise anyone constant happiness, and I can't think of any reasonable philosophy or religion that does. IF you base your life choices primarily on your fleeting personal happiness, you will ultimately be disappointed and could easily become an extremely selfish person, and selfish people maintain few healthy relationships. This is one reason why hedonism fails as a philosophy. Becoming an atheist doesn't create happiness or stop tsunamis in Thailand. If so, explain to me how A=B in this case. :confusion-scratchheadblue:

I appreciate your comments, so don't get me wrong, but dude, you totally made an illogical argument here: "somehow you are sure that im going to hell in the obvious afterlife etc, so Christianity makes sense to you, then go ahead lol, but i guarantee you that if you do, you are lying to yourself." Really, OK, how can you "guarantee" that I am "lying to myself" w/my beliefs about the afterlife, etc.? That is impossible! You don't have any empirical or "scientific" evidence to show that there is no such thing as an afterlife--nor could you. Likewise, it is impossible for me to personally "prove" to you that there is an afterlife. At best, you can only be an agnostic on the issue, because to say there definitely isn't an afterlife, well, that's impossible to back up. Basically, such a belief takes as much faith to sustain as it does for me to claim that there is. No?

lol, with that I was saying that you don't need to buy in any particular religion to live a happy life, be "a person", whatever. as far as I know denying the Holy Spirit is considered as "free ticket to hell" sort of thing by christians:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Eternal_sin



what the hell is "future potential state" in any case. if not even christians agree with themselves, I just dont get the whole point. oh well, i will tell you if I start feeling the hell state in the future.



"theres a real God who loves you and desires a relantionship with you". thats what you want to believe. just because you believe it, doesnt make it more real. neither you or I can't prove such affirmation, and since I dont see a point in believe thats a fact, i dont consider it. again, as I already said: i dont deny or aprove "a god/creator/inteligent designer/whatever" that is totally irrelevant to any possible religion, since such thing to exist or not can't be proved (at least nowadays, who knows in 1000 years, with things like LHC we are definitely not stopped in finding an answer to the origin of the universe), what I dont buy is religions and their ideas of a god, since any religion as it is mankind's product (unless you have the faith that it takes to think the opposite).

i can say im happy. i live a normal life, and im doing good with my goals, and me and my long time ex are pretty much back. I am really happy with my life. dont need more than what i have.

I dont get the "Turn on CNN or the BBC news for a few minutes" comment. yes, the world is fucked up. you can care and be aware of what happens in the outside world besides you, while trying to not get overwhelmed by it. we both know every 3 seconds childs in africa die of poverty, do you spect me to cry about that and be constantly pissed and depressed at it?
I do whats on my hand, but don't expect much from some dude who hardly can pay the bills and university books. praying is free i guess.




i have personal goals, but i also enjoy being useful to others. it applies to everything, including sex. when i have sex with my girlfriend i enjoy giving pleasure as much as i enjoy recieving it. be sure that i will not be dissapointed with my lifestyle, as i reached a point that im really happy with what i have, and everything more is just a bonus. if you want to call me an hedonist for that and play the "i am a christian, i surf in the waves of christ and I wouldn't be never dissapointed unlike someone who has personal goals without a relationship with God, because if you do you will become an extremely selfish person without real friends", go for it, but thats pretty dumb.



who said becoming an atheist creates happiness? it may for some. obviously if there is still christian people is because they are happy and comfortable to believe what it takes to be a christian. same for muslims, and the large etc. as I said, congratulations if it works for you.



I was being sarcastic with the "obvious afterlife" comment. obviously no one will never know what happens exactly when you die. i tend to think one will feel what you felt before being born, but that makes as much sense to say i will get a prize consisting on 72 virgins. we'll see.

what is massive bollocks is someone like that nomore guy being 100% sure that hell exist and that he must behave like this or that to avoid sufering for all eternity on it, thats what im saying.

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I've talked with my minister years ago and he said that masturbation only becomes a sin when it takes over your life. He also said that the blood of the Jesus has cleansed you so you are clean before God. If you are unsure about masturbation you should pray for guidance and if you feel that you should not do it then don't but if you feel that it's okay then go for it. If masturbation takes over your life and you are addicted to it then that's the problem and the sin is not going out and enjoying your life. I have prayed many times myself about this and the response I've always gotten is that masturbation is okay as long as you go out and live you life and not let it control you, it's your body and you can tell it no. The addiction of masturbation comes from the brain chemicals changing. the brain get's used to the higher levels of dopamine and endorphins and after awhile your brain get's used to the chemicals and the chemicals stored in the brain get low so when you stop you have extra low levels of these things in your brain and it takes awhile for the chemicals to build back up and your brain must get accustomed to the lower levels. This effect is just like the addiction to cocaine and other drugs.

some of the connections that they make on these vids I think are way out there and that they take verses out of context at times.

Saying that masturbation is anti-Christian is not true, the sin is letting it take you over and they said that a little girl sitting on the lap of a man starts leading him to sexual things is messed up and makes me think that they are saying that a man can not have no sexual feelings about something nor resist the temptation of evil.

Of course it's what ever works for you, just please remember make up your own mind and let God speak to you directly. Humans no matter what can be wrong and fall but that's why Jesus died for our sins. Plus if someone is masturbating all the time then they need to get out and do something, but sometimes they might just be under a lot of stress or feel like they have no friends or connections and they need your support. A friend is a great thing and to some everything.

That's what I believe. Believe what you want and whether you agree with me or not I pray that God will bless you and keep you.