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(7/15/03 10:21 am)
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Wet Dreams Continued

Let's post here, and see if it's any faster or easier.

Texanguy
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(7/15/03 10:26 am)
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Wet Dreams Continued

It's me, Texanguy

Ronald
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(7/15/03 3:03 pm)
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Dickenson

That was a good idea, Texanguy to start another post. This should help the others in downloading. I think my problem's unrelated, since other sites freeze on me too. But I hope a friend can help me with is.

Hilary Duff will be 16 in September. You can tell me what you think of her movie when you see it. I think she's quite the character. Yes you have to ignore your penis when it gets erect, so that you can have your wet dream.

Well keep up he good work, Dickenson. Like Texanguy says, you could be having one soon. Keep us posted. Take care!

Dickenson
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(7/16/03 12:21 am)
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Smart, man

Well, it's nice to hear that Texanguy had created a new post for us. Thanks. I hope this new post'll allow us to view things better and faster.

But, I wondered whether the decrease in the rate of downloading previously is particularly due to the "total of titles" in this site. Like Hoban, I'm not a smart alec when it comes to computer and its related applications on a wider scale.

Well, it's good to note that the downloading is faster in this new post. Thanks for your idea again, Texanguy.

But, you guys must always feel free to refer back to our old posts and make comments on those if you like. Somehow or other, those previous replies are really, really informative and they serve as a cauldron of solid facts for the reference of anybody at all interested in this field.

Well, it's really fun and extraordinarily exciting to note that my penis is harder and harder everyday. It'll just inflate itself without my 'permission' and stand tall there like a goal post. Every thing I saw these days, though not sexual, e.g. brushing my teeth, shaving, using the eraser in classes, typing on the keyboard and so on will easily cause me to get an erection. So, I really tried hard to refrain myself from the TV as I got no idea what's going appear on the screen next second. I guessed these erections are normal, right? (I don't get blue balls though I get a really hard and big one every time).

Ronald, it's really surprising to note that Hilary is soooo young! But I think she looked more mature than that age. Does that movie had any steamy scenes? You know, I'm really avoiding those images to prevent myself from becoming 'unbearable'.Thanks for that advice, Ronald. Don't worry, I'll not masturbate; I MUST get a wet dream this time, if not, why should I get started on this 'program' in the first place?

I'll definitely keep you guys posted. Good Luck guys!

Texanguy
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(7/16/03 12:56 am)
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Dickenson

I wouldn't worry about the frequent erections. If it all of a sudden increased in frequency after over 2 months of not masturbating, it's probably somewhat psychologically based, or something 'triggered' it. If it doesn't bother you, enjoy it, but don't force it. It's possible to have an orgasm from minimal or no physical stimulation if you get 'carried away' with it. (It's happened to me before). What you want is a wet dream, not that.

Hopefully, your body is seriously searching for a new way to get an orgasm. Let it know that you are only going to do it in a wet dream.

I think all this writing and support for each other helps make all of us more determined not to masturbate and succeed in our personal quests. Resist, relax, and go to sleep at night. With that much arousal, once your body 'gets it' and starts having wet dreams, perhaps you'll be getting lots of them per week!

Texanguy
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(7/16/03 2:34 am)
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Dickenson, from other thread

I just read your other post. I think it makes sense to keep to one thread, so I'll respond here.

About my few wet dreams in the past, for years I'd sometimes deliberately go for a few or several weeks without masturbating, and often get erections. I'd sometimes purposely try to arouse myself with thoughts and feelings, get erect, and not masturbate. Then I'd go back to masturbating regularly for a few weeks or months. Once every year or two or three or four, I might have an unexpected wet dream, always some time after last masturbating. It seems like they have been somewhat related to sleeping in odd places, since I had one while spending a few days in Hawaii once, and also once on business in Japan, even though I don't travel that much. (I sleep nude, so my my few wet dreams have all been that way, and I'm not married.) But most of them were at home.

But a few years ago, I found that if I got myself really aroused and erect while awake, I started to sometimes have an orgasm with no physical stimulation (that's why I warned you to be careful). That kind of made it hard to go for longer than a few weeks without a waking orgasm when hoping to get a wet dream (but I also didn't know that it mattered). I would just arouse myself without intending to have an orgasm, and have one anyway! I was voluntarily 'starting' and 'going with' the feelings, but not wanting to go all the way to orgasm. But I'd eventually get one anyway!

Before my 'research' last May, several years ago I read some wrong information somewhere that said waking arousal and some sex (masturbation) helped bring on wet dreams. Until this 'research', I didn't know that people could regularly have several wet dreams a week (that was quite amazing to me), and that virtually everyone who does that does not masturbate at all, even if they did in the past. I also found that they didn't go around trying to arouse themselves while awake like I was in the habit of doing, and certainly didn't 'waste it' having waking orgasms from doing so. If anything, some of these people were very specifically very minimal in their waking arousals, and certainly weren't 'trying' to arouse themselves at all.
(Some out of strong religious convictions.)

So, armed with all that new knowledge, I'm proceeding with very minimal efforts at waking arousal, and staying away from those 'unwanted wet dream killer orgasms'.

It may may be weird to have such a thing happen, but if that can happen to me while I'm awake, my body should still have the capacity to have orgasms while I'm asleep, even at my age.

If you check all my previous posts, you'll find that even though I didn't mention this, that it's not inconsistent with anything I have said. I didn't want anyone to think I was too weird or lying, so I didn't mention it. It also wasn't relevant to the topic of how to get wet dreams. But I was truthful in what I did say. And at any rate all my wet dreams occurred before this started happening -- and none after!

So here I am, posting, not masturbating, and trying to live by my 'research' and have a wet dream! And getting support from and sharing my interests with you guys.

I should also mention that I saved my 'research' in a document, complete with many links. You are not supposed to post links on this site, but if you were interested I could post the document briefly at a certain time of day, and you could copy and paste it into a Word document and check out my 'research' for yourselves. Then I could delete it from the post. But I'm confident you'd reach the same conclusions I did.

Texanguy
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(7/16/03 11:10 am)
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Dickenson

I think if you drink more water before going to bed, you are more likely to wake up in the middle of the night with a full bladder and a need to urinate. I'm sure that's normal, and probably independent of masturbating or not. Since guys get erections throughout the night when they are sleeping, it wouldn't be unusual to wake up with one when your bladder is full and needs emptying. Now, since you are not masturbating and getting lots of erections while awake, you may very well spend more of your time erect while asleep, as well.


"Personally, I still don't get your idea of '...getting wet dreams always some time after last masturbating'

Dickenson
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(7/16/03 7:22 am)
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I'm still waiting...

My recent frequent erections were really hard. I was wondering whether this process will actually force more blood into the erection chambers, making the blood tissue expand more, in return making it bigger. Any idea?

Those erections doesn't really bothers me, except in classes, where sometimes an unexpected one usually results in a larger bulge under there, and I tried to shift myself to make the tented trousers of mine less noticeble. Do you have any other ways in overcoming this?

I'm currently NOT in the mood for masturbation (seriously). Though it can in fact provide pleasurable feelings, but I preferred wet dreams (I don't get them for years!!).

Currently, I find that these erections are really good and fun! I hope my body'll soon know that the only way to release the accumulated and unused semen is when I'm sleeping (wet dreams). But these days, I used to drink more water before sleeping (because I'm thirsty; not because of certain foods) and eventually woke up in the middle of the night to urinate with the boner. This happened for about 1 week ago. Do you have this problem? I tried not to drink, but I'm really thirsty. Do you think this's the body's way of triggering an erection when the bladder is full? Please help, guys!

Personally, I still don't get your idea of '...getting wet dreams always some time after last masturbating';(Para.2, 2nd reply). You mean you got it just after a hand job session in another place? How long does it took? By the way, where are you from? Are you American/ Irish/ British/....?

It's easier to do all these when you're not married, actually. So, please try to get them now, before you get married... : )

Also, can you describe briefly how you save all your semen when you're getting a wet dream? I mean, since you're sleeping nude all the time, there's nothing to absorb the spilled semen. Ronald, may be you can help. Oh, does anyone bothers to clean up everything/ change your brief after having one?

Do you reckon any colour changes in your semen (if any) between those you got from masturbations and wet dreams? I only know that my semen (from masturbation) is whitish and thick. I don't know about the taste. Have you tried that before? How does it differs between the one got from wet dream and the one from masturbation? (Please skip this if you don't want to share that even though you knew). I just wanna learn more from you guys. Ronald, any ideas? If yes, please describe briefly. Oh, may I ask whether I'll be sick after swallowing the fluid? Or is it beneficial?

Meanwhile, thanks for that wise warning. I didn't know about that. But I believe you, Texanguy. I like your attitude of revealing the truth and are willing to share all your thoughts and experiences with us. But I don't really understands what's the 3rd paragraph in your 2nd reply. Do you mean that you can 'get' an ejaculation while awake (but very aroused) without any touches on that hard length? Is this a waking orgasm? So, this can't be achieved by you now, right? (Because you mentioned last time that 'trying' to get a wet dream while awake is not effective; it kills a wet dream).

I find that your explanation are 100% convincing, and I fully believe you. What's the point of wasting time typing biased/ misleading information? What's the point of explaining something that's not from your own experience? I don't do that!

Well, I think your explanations provide the causes of the 'leakage' of semen you got that day while sitting (awake). I think your body's still quite used to waking orgasm (with ejaculation), but it seems that you can hardly get it sometimes in the recent past (before you really slept).

I'm REALLY interested in getting those stuff from you, Texanguy! You're really so hardworking and conscientious! You really deserved to get a wet dream, and I'm willing to let you beat my first one (if there's a way)! Please let me know when are you posting that and where can I find that. Have you included some pics/ mechanism of a wet dream? Anyway, I'd love to view that piece of hardwork!

Okay, man, gotta go. God bless. Good Luck to you too! Thanks for sharing that info with me, I like you!

Texanguy
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(7/16/03 11:15 am)
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Previous post, continued

I made a long post, but it didn't get in correctly. Fortunately, I did in in Word, and copied/pasted it to the reply. So I'll paste it again:

I think if you drink more water before going to bed, you are more likely to wake up in the middle of the night with a full bladder and a need to urinate. I'm sure that's normal, and probably independent of masturbating or not. Since guys get erections throughout the night when they are sleeping, it wouldn't be unusual to wake up with one when your bladder is full and needs emptying. Now, since you are not masturbating and getting lots of erections while awake, you may very well spend more of your time erect while asleep, as well.


"Personally, I still don't get your idea of '...getting wet dreams always some time after last masturbating';(Para.2, 2nd reply). "

I meant after not masturbating for several or many weeks, the exact time of which varied for each of my few wet dreams. My pattern was that I would masturbate almost every day for several weeks or months, then stop for a few weeks or month or two, (with deliberate waking arousals and erections, but short of orgasms), then go back to regular masturbation for several weeks. With this pattern going on for several years, I just MIGHT have one wet dream every two or more years apart (average). It might be one in 3 or 4 years, or one in 6 months.

Like many people seem to observe, they seemed to occur rarely and randomly, and only after not masturbating for a while. They just weren't frequent enough for me to realize that I had much control over them. Most of the time, whn I didn't masturbate for a while, I wouldn't have one. I didn't know (before my recent research) that I could likely increase my wet dream frequency by maybe a factor of 100 or more, just by quitting masturbation completely, not deliberately arousing myself while awake, and waiting long enough -- in other words, by doing the same things people who have frequent wet dreams do. (At least that's our plan and goal!)

"Also, can you describe briefly how you save all your semen when you're getting a wet dream? ".

After a rare wet dream, I'd just wipe it off on near the edge of the sheet.

"Do you reckon any colour changes in your semen (if any) between those you got from masturbations and wet dreams? "

The semen seems exactly the same.

"Do you mean that you can 'get' an ejaculation while awake (but very aroused) without any touches on that hard length? Is this a waking orgasm?"

Yes.

"So, this can't be achieved by you now, right? (Because you mentioned last time that 'trying' to get a wet dream while awake is not effective; it kills a wet dream)."

That's correct. But it also appears that you don't have to go 'all the way to orgasm' to inhibit wet dreams. If you spend time (as I used to) 'trying' to get an erection from thoughts, feelings, and even a little physical stimulation, but NOT going all the way to orgasm, it may still keep wet dreams from happening.

I think that's true for two reasons: One is my own experience, having had only very rare wet dreams. The other is that people who have frequent wet dreams NEVER post about doing that, and instead seem to specifically refrain from 'deliberate' waking arousal -- whether to orgasm or short of it. That is also true for people who used to masturbate and had no wet dreams at all. When they quit, they did not engage in deliberate waking arousal at all, and then started their wet dreams, typically months later.

So, unfortunately we are all still waiting. Yet we are getting used to 'not masturbating'. As I have said before, some of the people who quit masturbating completely had put it so far out of their minds that they were surprised when their wet dreams started, months later. Maybe a person needs to come to the point where he says "I don't masturbate at all", and is quite used to that, BEFORE he will start to have wet dreams. That fits the profile.

I think it may be a good sign for you, Dickenson, that you are enjoying not masturbating. It may be that the best approach is to keep 'enjoying' that, and put less of an immediate urgency on getting a wet dream each night. You 'don't masturbate' -- and you just 'let' wet dreams happen when they will, as a separate event. As far as I can see from my 'research', that's what people who end up with wet dreams do. As I've also said before, it almost seems to be a two step process: Quit masturbating first, 'kick' the habit, and forget about masturbation. THEN have wet dreams.

I live in Texas, even though I wasn't born here.

Perot
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(7/16/03 9:05 pm)
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I'm 18 years old, and I stopped masturbating about 2 weeks ago. While I was searching the Internet for more helpful information on how to stop masturbating I found this forum. One of the reasons I stopped masturbating was for spiritual reasons, although I'm not religious. I did not stop with the intention of having wet dreams. I'm not even sure if I've had a wet dream before, and I don't even think I've had a dream where I was having sex before. Another reason I stopped masturbating was to see if I could overcome an addiction.

I know I've been looking at a lot more porn and thinking about doing it a lot more over the last two weeks. I really hope I'm able to stop masturbating. Good luck to everyone else!

Ronald
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(7/16/03 7:03 pm)
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Dickenson

Thanks for your comments, Dickenson. Yes I think God appreciates it when people can get self-control with things like not masturbating. I don't know if the harder erections would help make it longer, but if so, that would be another reason to not masturbate.

I don't think Hilary's scenes are too bad. Just concentrate on things like the scenery and their cranky teacher, and maybe you'll be all right.

I just change my underwear and maybe eat a little of the semen as well when I have a wet dream. Like Texanguy said, the color is about the same both times, and so is the taste, which I enjoy. The semen just might be a little thinner in a wet dream. It's never made me sick, so I guess it's all right to swallow.

For erections in class, I guess you could cover it with your hands or your books, and hope it goes away.

As for questiions, can I ask how you like doctors' exams, and if you've ever gotten an erection during one? I know you've just been to a doctor. It's up to you to answer this.

Yes, Texas is in America, if you didn't know, Dickenson.

Well it looks like I can write this now without the board freezing up on me. So maybe I'll have less errors now. I enjoy corresponding with you all, and I'll keep praying for you all to have a wet dream.

Texanguy
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(7/16/03 11:14 pm)
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Perot again

Don't overlook the number of pages (3) in the two previous wet dream topics. You can click on the little numbers after the bottom of the last post on the page.

Ronald
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(7/16/03 11:44 pm)
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Welcome. Perot

Welcome to our forum, Perot. I hope you like it here, and we can help you to stop masturbating. I think it's good that you want to stop an addiction. Take care!

Texanguy
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(7/16/03 10:21 pm)
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Perot

Perot,

You are certainly welcome to join our discussion. I can appreciate the 'addiction' issue with masturbation, as well as you being unhappy with an addiction to porn.

You've already identified some of the differences between our small group, who ran across each other in pursuit of wet dreams, and your desire to quit masturbating for spiritual reasons.

But there are indeed similarities: mainly stopping masturbation, and trading the feelings, observations, and issues involved in that, as well as giving each other support. And, if you succeed in quitting masturbation, you may very likely have wet dreams whether you want them or not!

I think it's definitely possible for you to quit masturbating. Many people have, although it's a minority. (I think that may be at least partly because many people don't seriously want to stop.) But I'd also say that if you 'slip up' once in a while it doesn't mean you can't succeed. You may also decide that 'occasional' masturbation may be compatible with your spiritual concerns, especially if you don't use porn.

When I was your age, I didn't know that people would function 'normally', and not be obsessed with sex if they didn't masturbate, but they I was wrong. Some nice, well balanced, educated, and intelligent people never even started in the first place, and others have successfully quit. But that doesn’t say it will be easy to quit!

I think that the human body does not 'need' to be masturbated or have regular sex, and there are several mechanisms that handle semen buildup naturally. One of them is wet dreams, which we are pursuing here, at least partly because we are all in some way or another tired enough of masturbating to want them instead. And of course, none of us (I presume) is looking at porn -- or at least not masturbating to it!

Many people argue that masturbation is completely harmless, and I think it may very well be. But on the other hand, many people ARE addicted to it, and as I've argued before, name any other addiction that is completely harmless! At least in some philosophical sense, it can be argued that it is more 'natural' not to masturbate, and more 'natural' to let the body have whatever orgasms it will have on it's own, in wet dreams.

If you haven't already, I'd recommend that you look at the 'history' of our group. It will include my 'web research' on the issue of wet dreams, who has them the most, and other related observations.

The history of our group is basically in 3 topics, all of which you can access from this link:
pub9.ezboard.com/fthemens...discussion
It started with my adding my comments to the old original 'Wet Dreams' topic, then sort of moved to 'Remembering images from a sexual dream', then finally to this topic.

So after reading all of that, when you start to see us as unique and different individuals, each with different philosophies and outlooks, and you aren't too turned off by our meandering discussions and constant quest for wet dreams, you are welcome to join us.

Feel free to ask questions and make comments and observations. We'd enjoy the company!

Welcome!

Dickenson
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(7/16/03 11:56 pm)
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To Ronald,

Ronald, I do hope that's one of the benefits of not masturbating, because I'm not that big myself. IF there's a 'PENIS Fairy' come by one day and offer you some extras in terms of length and thickness and more bulge (for the balls), what measurements would you want? For me, I'll ask her to grant me a 9" penis (a thick one); with a circumference of 5"; and the nuts bigger and hang lower. And the angle should be much higher than my present one (complimentary with any two requests, while offers last!). Oh, and minus that pain when I got hit in the testes! Haha.....hey guys, please try this question.

It's good to know that you tasted that fluid before. How does it tastes (What flavour)? I suspect it's quite warm (like anything else came out from the human body). I guess I'm going to try that for myself when I get a wet dream next time (not by masturbation). Can you explain why the semen is thinner in a wet dream? I still remembered my first semen through my 1st masturbation (shouldn't have started) is yellowish-white. What's your comments on this, guys?

I appreciate your idea of using books/hands, and I'd tried using files too! But these seemed to provide more friction on that woody- that I grew even larger and harder than before. Seriously, my erections were really unexpected these days (I'm having a semi hard now).

Fortunately, most of my doctors I went for lower body exams were male doctors, which I'm more comfortable with. Unlike your case, the nurses didn't comment on my legs as they are just hairy, not VERY, VERY hairy. The last exam I went was quite OK for me, as it was just semi erect when that guy doc apply oilment to the scrotum. He then looked for any bumps or 'unusual objects' in the sac. He rolled his fingers (bare) on my testes too. This time, I'm in full fledge erection. I noticed his smile (he got a cute dimple on his left cheek; he's quite good looking too!) but he kept his head down (the nurse was not here). If I'm not wrong, I saw he'd a bulge down there too! After the exams, he told me that I was ok, and personally told me that his penis is just like mine, insisting that I souldn't be too concerned about sizes. So, on the whole, I enjoy going for exams like these, and learn things from him. What's your comments? Do you think that doc's quite gay? Or is this normal?

I also went for several testicular exams last time when I was a kid, all of which done without ANY erection.

Well, it's nice to relate this to you, Ronald. I'd never told anyone about all this, as I'm not comfortable. Hopefully, you'll get a wet dream soon! Keep me posted.

Dickenson
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(7/17/03 12:29 am)
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Welcome Perot,

Hello, welcome to our discussion group, Perot. I'm Dickenson. Please read my previous replies to know more about me. It'll be better if you can briefly describe yourself, so that we can have a base line sense of who are you (feel free to skip this).

Congratulations on embarking on one of life's most difficult quest- quitting masturbation. Well, you'll find that it's not difficult to quit (I find that's actually quite easy) and yet not easy to quit. I'm not trying to contradict my statement, but, that's my own perception towards this pursuit. You know, guys..... : )

Interestingly, by quitting mastubation for some time, Nature will takes its own course, by making the unused semen and sperm ejaculated through wet dreams or spontaneous ejaculation (like in Texanguy's case the other day). So, you can actually rest assure that your chosen path will not cause unwanted swelling of the testes (balls) due to the continual production of sperm and semen. In fact, about 8000 sperms are produced each seconds in healthy males, so think about that when it's really full on that big day (wet dream)!

I'm currently doing this just for curiousity's sake. I want to understand my own body's reaction better. To me, masturbation is NOT harmful in anyway; it doesn't cause hairy palms, makes you insane/ blind, etc. But, if there's wet dream (which I supposed to be much pleasurable), why masturbate? So much so, the decision is entirely up to you, Perot.

You also mentioned about addiction on that habit. Well, you have to prepare for those 'unbearable' situations during the very beginning of your 'program'. It's just like quitting smoking/ drinking alcohol; you've to begin slowly and reach your goal. It takes time, dedication, and patience, among others.

On the whole, I was like you before joining this place: masturbate, looking at porn,...(you name it). Well, personally, I don't think porn materials have a REALLY dampening and degrading effect on its viewers (though I reckon it's bad to view such things all the time!). It's entirely up to its viewers to choose whether to get hooked on those things/ to immitate the actions displayed (you name them, OK?). Whatever the case, the viewer must know how to judge what's good or bad for himself, and most importantly, set some limit to that activity. I'm not trying to be philosophical, but these are my views. Any comments, anyone?

Lastly, all the best, man! And welcome again to this place. Keep us posted on your progress.

Hoban
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(7/17/03 7:41 am)
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Hello

It's good to know that more guys are joining this site. I'm still waiting for my wet dream. Good Luck guys!

Ronald
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(7/17/03 3:01 pm)
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Dickenson

Thanks for your comments, Dickenson. The kind of penis you described would be nice to have. But I'm happy with the one I have too. It would also be nice if my nuts hanged down more.

Yes the semen is warm, and it tastes sweet. I think that the reason that the semen's thinner from a wet dream is because the penis pulses faster.

I enjoy being examined by my male doctor too. I think guys tend to get turned on from seeing another guy's erection. So that might be what happened wth your doctor. I haven't had an erection myself while I was examined my doctor. But it's been a little different that while I've been massaged by ladies before.

Well good luck to everyone in getting their wet dream. I enjoy correxponding with you all.

Texanguy
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(7/17/03 5:48 pm)
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'Spiritual Reasons'

This is an open discussion forum, and any topic can be discussed here.

But I think Perot, or anyone else wanting to quit masturbating for 'spiritual reasons', may not be too comfortable with perhaps incompatible topics such as 'eating semen' and 'getting erections in doctor's offices' while being examined, or doctors being 'aroused by their patient's penises'.

My personal opinion is that a professional doctor would not be and should not be. I think I would feel uncomfortable with a doctor who got aroused while examining has patients, and who in any way modified his examination procedures because he did. But if other people would enjoy it, that's fine with me.

If Perot still wants to participate, he's welcome to. He can still discuss issues that concern him here.

If he does not feel comfortable here, I still wish him good luck on quitting masturbation.

Texanguy
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(7/17/03 6:49 pm)
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Semen buildup and wet dreams

Semen has millions of sperm cells, but the majority of the volume of semen is made up of other fluids. Most of what makes up semen is manufactured and stored in the prostate, not the testes (balls). Semen and sperm on average becomes a 'full load' after 3-4 days, depending on age, level of sexual arousal, etc.

If it's not ejaculated out after that, the body re-absorbs the excess, dissipates it in small amounts in urine, or finds other non-orgasmic ways. Frequent arousal can increase the volume, but the body will still handle the excess as it can. Just imagine someone paralyzed, or in a coma for 20 years. He does not fill up with 10 gallons of semen!

So an ejaculation, whether in sex, masturbation, or a wet dream is an 'option', not a 'necessity'. But, the body likes orgasms, and will have them in wet dreams if they don't happen in other ways. As we've discussed, a body used to masturbation and not used to wet dreams may not get them for quite a while after quitting masturbation. Then they start. That is factually what happens in post after post from people who quit masturbating long enough.

That's why I theorize about the body 'learning' (or actually re-learning) how to have wet dreams, and then having them regularly after the delay. It's not that the semen builds up, up, and up, week after week. Rather, it's that the body more and more craves the orgasms it's not getting, and finally does it in a way that's built in to humans -- a wet dream.

Once wet dreams start, they become more frequent, if still not masturbating, as the body seems to get used to having orgasms that way exclusively. For people like us here, trying to have wet dreams, we have to train and force our bodies into the wet dream 'groove' that it's not used to.

It's only a guess, but I would think that as the body gets more and more used to wet dreams as its only orgasms, that they would become all the more intense. Clearly, some people who enthusiastically post about their wet dreams are 'into them' so much that masturbation just doesn't exist for them.

There are also people who have regular wet dreams, but can't get excited enough to have an orgasm from masturbating. Kind of hard to imagine someone trying to masturbate but can't, and then falling asleep and having yet another wet dream. But that's the way some people are!

Unfortunately, my body still hasn't found the wet dream 'groove' yet. But I'm sure we all will soon!

Ronald
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(7/18/03 8:45 am)
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taking a trip

Yes, Texanguy's right. We should probably try to make Perot feel more comfortable with the things we talk about here.

I'm writing to say that I'm going on a trip for the next few days. So I won't be writing on here for a while. Hopefully when I come back, there will be news about someone having a wet dream! I wish you all the best while I'm gone. Take care!

Texanguy
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(7/18/03 2:02 pm)
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Ronald

It is a free and open forum, but I felt a little self conscious about someone new joining our group, reading the most recent posts, and immediately concluding he didn't want to stay.

Have a nice trip. Hopefully we'll all have some good news for you when you get back.

Texanguy
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(7/19/03 12:52 am)
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Perot

I read the article. I think the two links are based on the same research.

I guess it's possible they are right. But as they also mention, intercourse increases the risk of prostate cancer, especially with multiple partners. It looks like the risk of prostate cancer from intercourse (up to 40% increase, in several studies) is greater than from not masturbating (33% increase, and only in one study).

One study of anything is not usually considered definitive. It could also be that people who masturbate have other habits or lifestyle aspects, such as diet and exercise, that may affect the outcome. Perhaps, for example, statistically more religious people don't masturbate, and (at least in the US) many of them may eat a more 'conventional' (high fat) American diet, and not exercise as much.

Another possibility is that people who don't masturbate as much may have different hormone and/or metabolic rates that may affect prostate cancer rates. It may be that people who are CAPABLE of frequent masturbation have a lower risk of prostate cancer, whether they masturbate or not. Most of them would actually masturbate frequently enough to to affect the statistics.

It is best under all circumstances to watch your diet, take vitamins, and exercise to minimize cancer as well as other diseases. It is known, for example, that taking zinc and selenium supplements (both known to relate to prostate health) reduces the risks of prostate cancer, in people who have 'normal' diets and don't get enough of these elements. It may be that the right amounts nullifies the effects of masturbating or not. (Too much of either of these supplements is also unhealthy.)

Numbers like this can be very scary, but let's take an example. Suppose 10 out of a million people get a disease. But if you take a group of a million people who eat lima beans, 20 out of a million of them get the disease. That would mean that there was a 100% increase in the risk of getting this disease if you eat lima beans.

But realistically, the chances of getting the disease in this example if you eat lima beans is still only 20 in a million. In other words, you can essentially ignore the risk whether you eat lima beans or not.

There are plenty of other risks in life. I'd have to look at the numbers, but a higher fat diet statistically increases the chance of prostate cancer. It could be that eating steak several times a week is riskier for prostate cancer than not masturbating. (you'd have to do the research to find out for sure). Lack of exercise also affects cancer rates.

There are probably a lot of things that have similar type odds. For example, you should use sunscreen every time you go outside. It dramatically reduces the chance of skin cancer. One sunburn as a child dramatically increases your chance of skin cancer. Nevertheless, even the increased risks don't mean that you should tremble in fear of skin cancer if you ever had a sunburn. And remember, these studies say it can even be riskier to have intercourse than not masturbate.

My guess is that many other factors you have control over, like nutrition and exercise, and those you don't, like heredity, may have more effect than whether you masturbate or not. And in all probability we do things every day that may be statistically riskier than not masturbating. Breathing air pollution, eating potato chips, not using sunscreen, being overweight, just to name a few. And so, apparently, is intercourse. Certainly smoking and drinking are quite risky!

Another aspect of this is wet dreams we've been pursuing in our little group. It's not clear from my recent 'research' about wet dreams what the average wet dream rate of people who don't masturbate is, once they start getting them. But it may just be that people who never masturbate at all have enough wet dreams to protect them from any increase in prostate cancer. It may be that the riskiest behavior is occasional masturbation, which can inhibit wet dreams, not no masturbation at all. I can't imagine that a few month's 'transition period' is risky. Who knows, maybe whatever your 'natural orgasm rate' in wet dreams is optimum for you. Maybe that's why people have them!

It's everybody's decision. My guess is that further research may tell us more, and the risk from not masturbating for a few years in the meantime is probably quite small.

But nobody can decide but you. My decision is to stick with it, but then I am older, so what I do now has less effect.

Perot
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(7/18/03 10:50 pm)
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Thanks for welcoming me to the forums. I've already read the other topic (the 3 page one) that was previous to this one.

I've read a few current news articles from July 16th which discuss a new study which finds that frequent masturbation is beneficial and helps prevent prostate cancer. Article links:
story.news.yahoo.com/news...ation_dc_6 (obsolete 12/23/03)
<a href='http://www.newscientist.com/news/news.jsp?id=ns99993942' target='_blank'>http://www.newscientist.com/news/news.jsp?...p?id=ns99993942</a>

The articles I've read is starting to make me change my mind about quitting masturbation. I haven't given up on quitting yet, but I'm starting to think that not quitting might be best. Anyone have any comments or ideas to add?

Dickenson
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(7/20/03 12:24 am)
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I'm back guys!

It's fantastic to read such articles! Thanks for your effort, Perot. Yup, the research is quite convincing yet informative. After all, experts, having many years of experience in that field, carry them out.

But, to me, I'll still keep up with all my effort since about 2 months ago. After all, I really enjoyed all those easily attained erections these days. But I'm still waiting for the wet dream.

From my point of view, God has created the male's reproductive organ to allow him to breed and at the same time, obtain pleasure. This pleasure is one of the most complicated and can't be fully understood by men, even today; the area in the brain that controls/ 'feel' the sexual pleasure is far too complicated and it encompasses a wide range of specialized nerve cells, neurotic links, and so on. Amazing indeed. All in all, the sexual organ of the male (and the female) can't function without the existence of that 'specialized' area in the brain.

However, a man/ woman will not ALWAYS get a partner at some point of time in their life. This might be due to factors like age, financial difficulty, and maturity, inter- and intra-personal skills, etc. So, I guess that's why God created the sexual organs in both sexes that can be 'stimulated' and 'feel' delicate touches; to achieve orgasms (with ejaculations) through masturbation. And of course, oneself can do this.

Being a guy myself, I'd like to comment on the masturbation in the males only. The penis is surrounded by a plethora of nerve tissues that can dictate senses like touches, strokes, pressure, temperature, moisture and so on. In the famous 'hand' method for example, the penis is stimulated by the strokes, pressure and lubrication applied- up and down, to and fro.... you know...and this, of course mimics the real action/ movements the penis will encounter when it's in the vagina during sex. Basically, this is some form of 'training' or 'practice' for the male so that he'll be able to perform well with his future partner in the quest for fertilizing the egg and hence, increase the world's population. And, the genes will be carried on to the generations to come. Other masturbation techniques also basically focused on the pressing and rubbing on the penis's glans and shaft; sometimes touching the scrotal sac. All these contribute to that unbearable 'point of no return' where the man can no longer hold his semen and thus, ejaculate them out from his hard penis.

Undoubtedly, the feeling(s) obtained through masturbation alone is extremely satisfying; and that sort of accounts for why a lot of young men (and old men) in the world indulged in this activity. Although there's much claims for its potential disadvantages, it's still one of the easiest, cheapest and fastest way to get a desired orgasm at any time. (Come on, just admit it, man)

But Nature will of course take care of those who do not indulged in this activity. God made wet dreams for men to expel all those semen out of the seminal vesicles, testes, and etc through that 'naturally' erected penis during sleep. And this will usually happens in the REM (rapid eye movement) of a sleeping period, where dreaming is at its highest possibilities (already mentioned by Texanguy). The mechanism of a wet dream is very, very, very, very unique, and it can't be created, forced, tried, or its frequency be increased to a desired level by one self. I think this uniqueness explains why there's very little or no articles that can be found on the Net relating entirely to this topic. And the theory that masturbation kills a wet dream seems quite true- since there's obviously more men in this world indulged in masturbation than 'keeping' it for the sake of that amazing wet dream. Interestingly, though, I came across an article about the 'making of a wet dream' in a guy on the Net that reads:

".??...one night, while the guy is asleep, the body signals the brain that there is a lot of semen stored up which must be released that night. The brain searches through the records of recent strong important memories and the list of compelling desires, adds a sexual theme and creates a dream! Often for a young boy, the strongest desire is for male attention (very normal) and that can come through a sexual dream (wet dream) involving other males..........."

Like Texanguy, I agree that your theory on 'the body need to finds it way for an orgasm; and not entirely due to the massive built up of unused and unejaculated semen (and sperm) in the testes, epididymis, etc'. I do get your idea about that paraplegic/ coma guy. Ha!

Essentially, the Bible does not touch directly on the masturbation topic, or stating that's a terrible sin. I recently came across to that Onan's case. But it??s entirely up to you to decide, Perot.
Why not you check this out?
http://www.twopaths.com/faq_masturbation.htm

It seems to me that these different opinions about masturbation were entirely someone's very own idea. You wanna do it, go for it; you don't want it, don't do it. Well, I do have my own stand, anyway. So, you guys just have to choose what you REALLY want!

To conclude, I'll still choose not to masturbate and experience that wet dream in times to come. Thanks for reading this. Any comments on this post, anyone?

Texanguy
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(7/20/03 11:26 am)
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Dickenson

Welcome back! It seems like your post complements mine.

The research in the articles can't be denied, but again, all new research needs to be corroborated, and perhaps elaborated.

One recent example is past research on fat in the diet. Ten - fifteen years ago, ALL fat was considered bad. Olive oil was considered just as bad as lard (pure animal fat). Diets were recommended that were extremely low in all fats. No 'oily' salad dressings of any kind, no nuts, etc.

But now, continued research shows that some types of fats are necessary, and some fats, like monounsaturated ones, actually REDUCE 'bad' cholesterol and increase 'good' cholesterol. It's not as if the original research was wrong, it's just that it needed refinement to understand the whole issue. We needed to understand the 'yes buts' and go into the 'minor details' before the whole 'fat in the diet' issue was completely understood. In the meantime, some of the extremely low fat diet recommendations turned out to be less than optimally healthy.

About prostate cancer, none of us mentioned the fact that it occurs in overweight people at a higher rate, or that exercise in general reduces the risks of many (or even all) types of cancer.

A healthy body, healthy diet, and good exercise habits yield a better immune system. There is 'room' in this current masturbation rate research for it to turn out that a 'natural' and healthy lifestyle, with proper diet, exercise, body fat level, etc, reduces the risks from not masturbating to zero -- or at least makes it much lower. It may be healthier for a person to 'divert' some of his erotic energy from masturbation to motivation to get a better and healthier body, and to actually do what it takes to get one.

All my recent 'research' and attention on wet dreams and masturbation has given me new thoughts, as I've stated before: Masturbation meets all the requirements of an 'addiction' for many people. Masturbation has been traditionally discouraged by all cultures and religions, until perhaps 50 - 60 years ago. The result is that in Western cultures today, a greater percentage of people are masturbating more frequently, and a greater percentage of people are addicted to it than ever before in history (and as a result the wet dream rate is lower than ever in history).

There may be unforeseen consequences to this situation. It seems that virtually every addiction has physical or psychological consequences, or both. Masturbation may be an exception -- but maybe not! Is there any other 'addiction' that has absolutely no unhealthy consequences?


As you said, there does indeed seem to be very little research on wet dreams. I'm starting to think that my web based 'anecdotal' research, unscientifically based purely on postings by people relating to their masturbation patterns (including none) and wet dream rates, including people who started having wet dreams once they stopped masturbating long enough, may be more complete than any other research.

I'm starting to see in us, Dickenson, the pattern I've seen in other people who used to masturbate, and then started to have wet dreams. They aren't desperately suffering and 'holding off' from masturbating day by day, anxiously 'trying' for a wet dream. That doesn't work, anyway. They just 'don't masturbate', and prefer it that way. They 'kick' the masturbation habit, and live day to day that way. Then, later, the wet dreams start.

That is also more like Perot's attitude, who wants to quit masturbating and eliminate the habit from his mind. All postings I've seen on the web indicate that this is the way wet dreams start for people who weren't having any before, even for those who never had a single wet dream before in their lives.

And, as far as I can tell, wet dreams eventually happen to every normal, healthy person who takes that path. Is it an absolute certainty? Probably nothing is. All I can say is that ALL the postings by others (healthy, undrugged, etc) who took that path say they got them. The probability looks extremely high, and there is probably no other way wet dreams will ever start.

Dickenson, it sounds like you are quite committed. I am, too. One reason I am is that my 'research' (not only on wet dreams, but masturbation as well) puts the whole masturbation/wet dream issue in a different perspective in my mind. My increased understanding, plus 'not getting any younger' makes me feel 'if not now, when?'.

And knowing what I know now, and given my 'innate' desire to have wet dreams more than masturbate, I would defintely have 'gone for it' at a much younger age.

As motivation, I'll just restate that most people find wet dreams to be better and more intense than masturbation, and that many people who have frequent wet dreams not only don't masturbate, they see no reason to ever try it.

Good luck to everyone!

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