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No I turned out straight, my step brother idk I don't talk to him much now don't know don't care

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Seems like you are getting quite a thing going with Mason. I'm sure that eventually you guys will communicate your feelings more and see where it goes. But as I said before, it's more about the person than about sex, isn't it?

Do you think Jessy is gay or bi? Is he doing things with Colton? Maybe he's not saying anything about it?

WEDNESDAY 3-11-2015

Well all i gotta say is, its kinda wild when both me and jessy are home alone all day cuz our parents are working and were both off at the same time for spring break! jessy woke me up this morning with the idea of having a repeat of yesterday. i was cool with it and we did pretty much the same things (for details pm me). for me it was getting the letter O all the way to the finish line. but then after i was taken care of, he wanted to do something even more. and its the letter A. and without any details, during our fun times i think he was really trying to get me ready for it. the only word i can use is uncomfortable. and it was kind of strange cuz of who it is. this is more then i wanna really do. and eventually jessy got the idea and stopped. but i think he was dissapointed or mad. he wound up mbing and it seemed like it was the first time that i kinda let him down sexually.

So today i rode my bike and i thought about going to saras house. she lives far away and its kinda dangerous to ride across main street but i had this desire to go there. then i thought about why. i think im getting really creeped out over what happened today and whats been happening in general. i dont consider myself to me gay and, texanguy, i dont know anymore if jessy is fully gay or just experimenting. but i had this urge to go in the oppisite direction so i wouldn't feel so gay or so strange cuz of doing things with jessy. like i wanted to make out with a girl and make myself feel normal. i didnt even want to see mason today. so i rode half way there and turned around and decided to walk through kmart since it will be closing soon.

now tonight i think im gonna ask if jessy wants to play xbox. but i am totally confused now. i mean totally confused. one part of me says "jamie dont ever do anything sexual with him again. its fkn wrong to do" and the other part of me says "i dont want to dissapoint him and make him think im some dumb kid who cant handle it. i should tell him its ok with me if he wants to try again" -- how did this happen and get so crazy. i have a technical sexual question that i really cant ask but it freaks me out. pm me if you wanna know and wanna help. but its sexual and technical and im freaking out. btw i dont know if jessy and colten do things. he doesnt say. but he did tell me he had a lot of both boys and girls, but he never had actual sex with a girl yet. im thinking about telling him about me and mason. maybe that would be a nice way to sort of stop things with jessy. dont get me wrong, i totally love jessy. hes my bro! and i would do ANYTHING for him (isnt that obvious now). but maybe we should just be bros and friends and nothing more. i should save things for mason, or sara or britney. sorry to say that, but i might need to have some boy-on-girl action to get me out of this weird feeling.

damit i am sorry that everything in my life is such drama, and i just use you guys to vent to and even cry to. i owe all of you a million answers to your problems in life.

Don't be afraid to draw the fucking line if you absolutely have to or feel uncomfortable man. Don't always worry about what he wants I'm sure he has his sexual outlet's aside of just you. You tell him how far you're willing to go and leave it at that if you do not at all feel comfortable with what he is doing. You worry about you Jamie and nobody else, ESPECIALLY when it comes to that.

You're a wonderful young man to have on here I wouldn't want anything to happen to you that would leave you scared or confused for quite some time.

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You shouldn't have to do anything you don't want to with Jessy. Technically, if he's using his position as your older brother to get you to do 'A' or other sexual things with him, whether he intends it that way or not it is in fact child abuse. The more I read between the lines, the more I think you really don't like it. He sounds pretty experienced as well, and as you say may have been working towards 'A' all along.

Getting involved with Sara, a girl you don't really like and that you don't have much in common with, can make things worse, not better. You'll get caught up in another unsatisfactory relationship in addition to what is going on with the confusing one with Jessy and the good one with Mason. Do you really want Jessy bothering you while pursuing a relationship with Mason, and then have Sara go after you and have sex with you too? Do you want to spend time with Sara during and after school, and disappoint Mason, just to prove something you can't really prove?

I think you should tell Jessy 'No' more and more firmly, even if that means getting angry with him and arguing with him (not as if you had never had any big disagreements with him before or anything!). Let him know that you don't like it and want to stop. And of course, don't initiate anything with him. He HAS to respect your wishes, otherwise it IS abuse.

If he won't stop (and like I say you can't initiate anything sexual with him), then you should either threaten to tell your parents, or just go ahead and tell them. No matter how much he might care for you or you care for him, he has no right to maneuver you into these situations.

Let me ask you a question. If Jessy was just a guy his age in the neighborhood and not your brother, would you continue to allow him to do these things to you? I think not. So that means that he's using (or actually abusing) you by taking advantage of his relationship with you as your older brother for his own enjoyment. If he insists on continuing to do these things, tell him that he should find someone else outside of the family to do them with. And as I said, there is a good chance that he already is doing it with others.

If you feel bad and trapped, you know that we support you. But you may need to take some more concrete action like telling your parents. As other posters have advised, some fooling around with brothers happens. But it's not your fault if it's going too far and you want it to stop. If he pressures you when you make it clear to him that you want to stop, it is 0% your fault and 100% his fault. At that point, no matter how good of a brother he is to you otherwise, he is in fact engaging in child abuse for his own sexual 'fun'. That is completely wrong, and Jessy needs to understand that. There are also strict laws against sexual abuse. It is technically rape unless both partners agree.

I'm being strong about this because we all want to make sure that you don't do something to yourself in an attempt to make things better by ending it all. Your parents would be miserable. Mason would be miserable. And I'm sure that Jessy would also be miserable. You'd also make a lot of us feel really bad here on WDF, and we would miss your long posts, good writing skills, and you telling us about your life -- and your sense of humor. We'd also feel really bad that you didn't just stick it out and win. So put this issue where it belongs. Realize this: As soon as Jessy maneuvers you into doing things you don't want to do, it is Jessy who has the problem.

If nothing else, if you feel like you have to resort to telling your parents to get it to stop, you should understand that in the long run you'd actually be helping Jessy to realize his problems and deal with them. He needs to learn to respect you and respect your wishes as a human being over his own impulses, otherwise he may end up in big trouble forcing similar things with others in the future, and end up in jail for a long time.

Have the energy and maturity to take more control and make it work. We are behind you and support you.

Texanguy I'm with you 100% I won't say anything here because of the nature of what it is that happened, but I'm sure you can kinda figure out where this went between Jamie and Jessy. This is up to you to lay down the law Jamie, he may back off of you fairly easy but as Texanguy said don't be afraid if things do lead to disagreement and argument. It is your body you do what you want with it not what your brother wants you to do for him. As I am sure I'm sure Jessy has other outlets for this and can get what he wants elseware not with you.

As I said you have to draw the line. Do it now learn to do it now cause the way you are and are thinking it looks you could be easily taken advantage of by more than just Jessy; a female partner or gay friend whatever who wants you for sex and nothing more. Nobody here wants that for you Jamie. As for Sarah, personally I think she's bad news it's nothing I would pursue for sex either. That could be something that could lead to something you don't want, make things even worse for you.

Again I have to back Texanguy here; not every relationship you pursue has to be for the pursuit of sex or the end result of you is having sex sex is a wonderful thing but pursuing it in every relationship you have is not good, and can burn a lot of bridges for you. Although as I have always said and will continue to say. When that time does come and you are going to have sex for the first time understand the potential consequences of it. Understand fully STD's that condoms and pills only reduce your risk of getting it not completely eliminate it. Realize too that if you have a kid he/she is your responsibility mentally, financially, and physically and you must meet all those needs of the child. And it could land you up staying in a relationship with a girl you didn't even like that much and if you separate from her it's your responsibility once you're 18 to pay child support for that kid for the next 18-21yrs of your life. Not really something you want to be obligated to do right out of high school...

I know far too many people that have gone down that route and let me tell you. They are the most miserable people I know, they are stuck working dead end jobs to pay child support because the mom doesn't want anything to do with them. They can't afford to go to school because of this whole mess, and at 22-23yrs old or whatever still living at home cause they have to pay for their kids child support on jobs that only pay just over minimum wage. It's something they didn't think about at 17-18yrs old all because they wanted a little sex.

Excuse me for lecturing I am sure you get plenty of this from your parents or whatever, but I cannot stress it enough to you the risks of that behavior. The way I put it, as much as the head on your penis wants sex, your head on your shoulders has to think am I really ready to commit to this? I just think of this before you have sex.

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THURSDAY 3-12-2015 day zero (meaning yesterday was the last time)

I must still be sick a bit cuz last night i fell asleep at 10:45 and didnt wake up until 9:55! so i almost slept 12 hours without waking up once.

Last night i felt weird, bad, and like jess was mad at me. i asked him last night if he wanted to xbox for awhile and he acted not interested in me at all. so i really felt like i let him down, like im this dumb kid who cant take the heat and needs to get out of the kitchen. so i just watched tv and fell asleep. so when i woke up, just like all week mom and dad were gone. i got on here cuz i planned to last night but fell asleep. i might as well tell you this although i hate giving you so much drama all the time. but i read your post texanguy and i totally broke down crying. all the things you said, i know i needed to hear and thanks for being there for me. and writing this down and reliving this morning i gotta say im crying again. but thank you. thank you. thank you. thank you. thank you. how did you even know i was having stupid thoughts about leaving the world. i wasnt gonna do anything for sure, but i still needed to hear what you said. you guys are the only people who really know whats going on. and everything you said felt so good to me. i really needed to hear it.

-- ok im back, i had to stop for a moment. im such a crybaby little girl. but i do wanna say something in defense of jessy. he never forced me to do anything. so yesterday he tried something i found that i didn't want to do and he stopped. and i was the one who dropped hints to him over a long time. i came on to him much more then he ever did to me. so he wasn't taking advantage of me, i think he was only responding to my come ons. i know hes older, but come on, not that much older.

so anyway guess what happend, jessy fkn heard me sniffin and cryin like the girl that i am and came in and he got that scared look on his face. he had that "oh no jamies sad and might do something" look. which kinda annoys me cuz im not that bad off. but he asked me what was wrong and i just blurted everything out to him. totally spilled my guts to him. i said i wanna do things with him but im not ready for "that" and dont think i will ever be, and i said i felt like i totally let him down by not letting him. i said he could even keep doing other things when it comes to A like his finger and tongue (although i dont know why he would wanna do that, im not that clean down there) but i just cant do full blown A with him. And i just cant be his first, cuz thats what i was freakn out about last night. its just too weird. his first being his little bro. and do you know what he did when i said all that? ... this is hard for me. i gotta stop writing.

ok im back, after i said what i said he sat down next to me, put his arms around me and just hugged me for the longest time. then he said he was sorry and that he didn't know what things i wanted to do and what thing i didnt want to do and he was only guessing at what i wanted and was sorry that he took it too far. -- and it IS true that i did a lot of suducing to him and i was the one that approached him monday.
but we had the longest talk while he had his arm around me. we talked the whole morning. he asked me if there's anything else we do that makes me feel funny and do you know what happend? i kind of realized no matter how small of a sex thing, i always had this strange wrong feeling about it and then he said he felt the SAME WAY! he said it was a curious thing at first and he knew that i wanted to know what it was like so thats why he did it, and just like me, he said he DOES like it and he likes ME, but feels weird about it!! then (texanguy you wont believe what he said here) he told me he felt guilty half the time cuz he didnt know if he was doing something good for me or "ABUSING" me! he used that word. i told him (and i totally mean this) no it wasn't abuse, i think it was just both of us not really knowing what we were doing, or how to handle it. i felt so fkn good after talkin to him. i told him about mason and he told me about colten. yes him and colten are sexual. and get this...jess said that colten is a little bit too intense for him in bed! omg wtf does colten do? of course i asked and jessy said "you know when you watch a professional gay porn on the net? well colten is like that". imagine how crazy it would seem, colten looks totally goth. emo, long black hair in his eyes, totally dark, and jessy with his long blonde hair. he's more blonde then me! kinda like the evil kid doing the nice kid! lol. and they do A. so i now know that if we would of done A yesterday i would NOT have been his first! thank god! cuz technically when we almost did, it was kinda barely in for a second (not even an inch) before i said stop. I only tell you this cuz i was hoping all that day that i wasnt TECHNICALLY his first. i dont know why but that is really a big deal to me. also jessy is not gay, he's bi and still considers himself a virgin. he told me anal sex doesnt count unless your fully gay. thats good. i told you we had a long long deep personal talk!

so since we both now know about colten and mason we decided that we are not going to do anything with each other anymore. jess is happy i got mason and that mason is more my speed! i said i was glad that he had colten and WISHED colten was more his speed. we laughed. i gotta tell you i felt so happy!!!! giggly.

he made me pancakes and sat with me while i ate them and we started talking about normal shit again!!!! xbox, skateboards, track, music... and me and jess hung out all day! we walked all around town. just two brothers hangin out! we walked to kmart and bought a few things to remember the store by. he got a mug and bought me hotwheel toy. not that i play with hot wheels but its more of a "remember that time in kmart before it closed" kind of thing. so i feel so good. thanks jay for what you said too. if it wasn't for me reading your posts this morning which made me totally break down, which made jessy come in, which your words had me all pumped up to say what i said, if it wasn't for you guys i wouldn't have poured my heart out to him and god knows what could of happened today. so jessy is spending the night with colten tonight and i told him (in our secret brother pact kind of way) be careful. we both gave a smile cuz we both knew what that meant. colten the porn star!!!! i should of asked how big his dick is lmao!

so here i am laying on my bed and feeling fine now. but thank you. people should never in a million years under estimate internet friends. i said it before and i will say it again. i love you.

I'm glad you had the balls to tell him what you don't want to do. And yes even with your age and his age difference there can still be child-abuse charges I know a friend that got into that crap with somebody else I'm not going to go into full details about that though. Glad you thought things through and glad that he wasn't too mad at you and it ended up being easier to confront him then you would've imagined. Or that some of us here thought it would be for that matter.

Just remember Jamie we will always be here for you no matter what happens to you and give you advice on how to go about doing things whether it's talking to your brother talking to Sarah Mason or anybody else about anything how to confront them how to approach them or whatever. I'll just say here once I am glad to be an online friend of yours that you feel comfortable enough you can talk to about anything

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I'm glad that you had that personal talk with Jessy, and I'm glad we helped. In spite of all the new understanding and communication with Jessy, which is all good, people sometimes can get carried away with doings things in the heat of the moment that they agreed not to do when they were more thoughtful. Just realize that the 'sorry and sympathetic Jessy' you talked with today doesn't mean that the 'horny Jessy' will completely disappear. So if you or Jessy approach the other sexually, it's best that at least one of you stop it before it gets too far and you do something you'll regret.

And as jayh89 said, not every relationship has to be sexual. You can be really close brothers without sex being a part of it -- sounds like you'd be even closer. And now you can tell each other more about your other relationships.

I don't think any sexual behavior expert would agree with Jessy when he said "anal sex doesnt count unless your fully gay." People can be anywhere from completely straight to completely gay, although not very many people are right in the middle. And it depends on how you define 'virgin'. But Jessy is just as much a virgin, and just as much not a virgin, as any guy, gay, straight, or anywhere in between, who does anal with other guys.


At least now you can relax, enjoy your school vacation, and have some good fun with Mason and others.

I've noticed that with all the writing you have been doing here that you are getting even better at expressing yourself in writing. I think sometimes with school assignments it's hard to write well because a student doesn't have strong feelings about what they are writing about, and are just trying to repeat what they are 'supposed' to say. But you've learned how to express yourself very well, and I'm sure that you can do it is school assignments as well as here.

Now enjoy your vacation and tell us the good times you'll be having, always knowing that you can tell us anything and that we will listen.

Hey jamie,

I am glad you resolved things with Jessy, Just remember, you are your own person, you have boundaries and your own personality, Don't be afraid to stand up to jessy if you need to do.

Just remember we are here to support you. From what I can read Jessy can be a wonderful person to know, enjoy that moment. If you feel uncomfortable, don't be scared or shamed to stand up and say no.

all right. as you know, we care for you and want to see that you are happy and content in life.

Dream

Thanks dream t for what you said sorry im so behind...
FRIDAY uh, day one. so not since wed.
this was a totally cool and most epic day and i wish i could of wrote to you that evening cuz im sure im gonna leave some details out but anyway here is what happend in a nut shell...
one thing led zepplin to another and i wound up riding dirt bikes with noah! his dad took us out to noahs grandparents and we went riding all over the fkn place! it was soooo cool. noah has a few dirt ramps just like in motocross and after a few times getting use to it i actually made a few jumps! nothing like noah. hes badass to the bone ba ba ba ba bad. i wrecked once but wasnt hurt. but we mostly rode trails. i only rode a dirt bike one time before and i was really virgin like overall but i think in that day i improved by twice as much. plus i can jump! white men can jump! lol

We got back around 6 and i asked dad if we could go to Brunswick to play some laser tag. remember that was supposed to be part of my birthday! so he said yes!!!!!!! isn't my dad cool! so i called mason, hunter, and texted everyone else! wound up being me, noah, hunter, devin (who puked the other day all over noahs driveway and the street) and MASON! me and mason never really got to hang out the whole time we were off yet. we talked every day but between me being sick earlier, and things he did with his family and all my drama well shit. nuf said. so hunter and devin showed up then we all picked up mason. it was so cool seeing mason. even when he came out of his house, the smile on his face. and when he got in the car he sat next to me! hes my best friend ever. ---ever ever ever....wait for it.....EVER! so we got to play the most awesome cool game of laser tag ever! just totally epic! me mason and hunter were all on the same team against dev and noah! so i didnt know that noah was this rambo-ish bad ass with the laser gun, but he kind of kicked our asses and took names! then we went bowling! we went bowling! i didnt do that in years. dad got us snacks and sodas and we played 3 games. noah is a stud in all things! not to mention he looks so cool. but i got like 4 strikes and mason was real good too. hunter i would say is a close second to noah at EVERYTHING. so hes good. so after bowling we went back to my place. dad didnt drop off mason cuz we all wanted to go back to my place and play xbox together. we got there and jessy was home and we all played assassins creed! but then devin hunter and noah finally had to go home so my dad drove them cuz it was dark out. so we all got in the car and dropped everyone off but when we were going to masons to drop him off, he asked if i wanted to spend the night at his place! so mason ran in and asked while i waited in the car and then next thing i knew he was waving me to come in! his mom and dad were already in bed! what a cool feeling, to kinda hang out when everyone already went to bed and we had the house to ourselves so long as we were quiet! Makenzie was there but she was in her room and me and mason felt kinda sneaky! we listened outside her door to see what we could hear lol. it was so funny. we just looked at each other smiling and laughing quietly! then we got the idea to sneak outside and try to spy on her through her window! but the shade was down. but then we went walking around without permission! we hung out around the neighborhood and talking about all kinds of stupid things and joking around but then we went back before we got caught lol. its harder to sneek back in then it is to sneak out lol. we raided their fridge and hung out in the family room in the basement and watched videos while eating ham and cheese sandwiches and grape juice. turns out that mason is starting to like more of my kind of music! yay! i mean, yay for him! poor dude, listening to all that crappy taylor swift and lord!!!!!! ahhhh! then we watched this fking horrible scary as shit movie about a haunted submirine. yeah we turned off all the lights! i actually felt ourselves laying closer and closer next to each other! ! it was fkn scary as shit. confession: scary movies.....scare me! maybe more than they should! whenever the creepy shit would jump out we would jump and laugh! so i have no idea in the world how this happened cuz we were both freaked out and i know my heart was pounding, but SOMEHOW we both totally fell asleep right on the floor! like we were drugged! we both woke up around 10 in the morning and had blankets on us and pillows under our heads!!!! turns out masons parents are just as sneaky as us lol.

SATURDAY day 2 but no wd lol
So we got up and his mom and dad made us....wait for it.....pancakes! jessy made me pancakes the other day!!!!! but they also had sausage bacon eggs juice milk everything!!! but i liked the pancakes mostly. they put alot of butter on everything. so me and mason spent the day together! he got on his bike and i rode his skateboard while i held onto his bike! we rode to the park and ran into some kids from school. then we all walked down main street up to kmart (my idea). confession: i feel really cool walking down main street with a group of friends. i know it sounds stupid but i think its "choice". so we get to big k and mason didnt wanna leave his skateboard outside the store. so one of the dudes (kenneth) took masons skateboard and rode it down the kmart isle and we all got introuble and got kicked out of the store!!!! way to go DUMB ASS!!!! so after that we made our strut back down main street and back to the park. but the other kids went on and me and mason were back to just hangin by ourselves. we watched some kids playing soccer. then i got another text sara! she just said what up but i didnt reply. then we both realized that we had too shit so we went to the public bathroom and sat in the stalls next to each other. ok yeah we regressed to a younger time! shitting together and laughing at the sounds! making stupid jokes about it and wondering if anyone else would come in! mason talked like a pirate and said "theres a storm down below mate" and cut the cheeze real loud! we both cracked up laughing. glad i was on the toilet cuz i would of pissed my pants!!!! after that intimate moment we left the park and rode all the way to my house! then i got my bike and we rode even more! noah and hunter were playing basketball in noahs driveway and we talked them into riding with us so we all got our bikes and rode all over even more. it was actually hot outside to me! i felt sweaty! hunter and noah started racing so then we joined in and had bike races for awhile. the thing about hunter and noah is they go too far with things. where me and mason might say, na lets not ride down that hill cuz there is a busy intersection at the bottom, well noah and hunter just go for it. so at one point we watched them ride race to the bottom and through the very intersection i was talking about. a part of me worried, but what can ya do. nobody got killed that day so thats good lol. then the 4 of us went to hunters and played vgames which i didnt really wanna do cuz it was so damn nice outside. but we did and soon noah and hunter got in their zone and me and mason left!!!!! we rode back to my place and then walked around some. we went to mexico road and crossed under the bridge in the creek. we got mud all over our shoes. we walked down the creek a ways and then climbed back out. i had a few dollars and we went to qt and got a large soda and shared it. when we got back to my place i asked if mason could stay for dinner and mom and dad said yes! but here is something really funny... colten was there too and we all ate dinner together. the funny thing about that was that me and jessy knew about everything now and we gave each other a funny look for a split second. what i mean by funny is we thought it was funny! cuz colten was spending the night with jess and i was fully planning on asking if mason can spend the night too! just kind of a weird funny thing there. like some kind of weird twisted double date!!!!!! but no, it wasn't like that. not with me and mason anyway lol.

So i did ask and again it was ok!!!!! so mason was staying over!!!! and then the 4 of us, me mason, jessy and colten played more assasins creed for hours!!!! then jess heated up a frozen pizza just to do it! not that we were hungry but it was something to do. we hung out in the basement for the whole night drinking soda and eating pizza! it was choice and it was epic! mom and dad went to bed and we had our party downstairs! but jess and colten were gonna crash down there so mason and me went back to my room. we got comfy and hung out in our underwear and watched videos on my computer for awhile. of course i think we knew where this was going ---yeah we watched porn for awhile. then mason showed me some sites he likes to watch. it was all dude on dude. i thought that was brave of him. we were pitching tents and it was one of those things where i knew that we both knew we were gonna be doing stuff soon. at one point he just asked me point blank "do ya wanna fool around" and i said yeah sure. we were both dirty and needed a shower but i didn't mind and i could tell that mason didnt care either. so he turned off the light and we both took off our undees and layed on the bed. when we do things i never know if its gonna be clinical, comical, silly, or very serious. this time was totally serious. a total make out with french kissing and layin together and holding and touching feeling grabbing lol. did i go to far with my discription???? lol. and it all ended with the letters JO -- (etchothr). i only say this to show that we dont go near as far as me and jessy did. no O and nothing A -- not even with fingers or whatever. but then WE TALKED! let me say that again....WE TALKED!!!!!! and not about silly things, WE HAD OUR BIG TALK!!!!. i got to ask him everything and he got to ask me everything. and it started with me telling him that i heard him whisper that i was beautiful when he thought i was asleep. and before he could respond i said i feel the same way about him. but then it got deeper. i asked him how does he see us. like are we friends or boyfriends or somewhere in between. i think my asking really opened all the doors up. we had no walls up at all. it was so honest and pure what we said. so here it is: mason told me that he is gay. not bi, not experimenting,..he is fully GAY. He said he was in love with me from the first time he saw me. He said he is scared to death that i will leave him for a girl and that he didn't know where we stood in this relationship too!!! he asked me if i knew for sure that i was only bi and not full gay. i told him i dunno. cuz i never was with a girl sexually. he asked me about how i felt when sara would kiss me. it finally came to be that i told mason i am bi and i know i am. i had feelings for sara just like i do for mason. he asked me what did i prefer. i said (and this is from my heart) i said it depends on the person. he said then who did i like more, him or sara. then i said some really big words to him. I said "i dont love sara, but im in love with you". then i said even with two gay people or two straight people, theres a risk that one person can leave for another for the the oppisite sex, the same sex or whatever. so its all about the person and not their sex. he asked me if i wanna know what its like to have sex with a girl. i said yeah, but i can live without that so long as i have him. it was dark but i heard him sniff a bit. i think he cried. so we both talked more and came to the ultimate conclusion that mason and i are both in love with each other and we are in a full blown relationship. we are boyfriends and that means we wont and will not ever cheat on each other. This lead to one more sexual, beautiful time between us that night. it was even more loving then the last time. then we fell asleep holding each other.

when we woke up the next morning it was wonderful. we were still holding each other. --god im so glad my door was locked! mom and dad were gone, we got dressed and had cereal. jess and colten were still sleeping downstairs lol.

So this week really really really straightend out everything between me and mason and me and jessy!

i will have to tell you about sun and today maybe tomorrow nite since i gotta get ready for bed. nite.

Well Jamie, I'm very glad that you both were able to get things figured out. I hope the best for your relationship (even though I for one don't much agree with gay relationships) to be honest though I hope you guys both have a good healthy relationship. Even if you break up with him I hope you are at least able to maintain a great friendship.

Just keep in mind also no matter what way you decide to go I'll always be here to support you and so will the rest of us here on the forum. But the bottom line is I am very happy for you that you were able to start something with him. Even though with the whole French kissing thing the rest of us I think here could see he had more than just a friendship in mind for you and him.

Keep us posted on everything Jamie how your relationship with him is doing and everything.

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I haven't visited the site in a few days and have just caught up. I got really worried reading your first post because that situation was definitely not ok, but I'm relieved to read your second post and I'm glad that you were able to talk about it and you've both established what you do not want to do. And now that he knows that you don't want to do those things, feelings of disappointment or guilt or obligation or anything like that, none of those things allow him to do what you don't want to do. And the same goes for you for him as well. Really none of those feelings should ever be part of sexual things ever. Sex stuff is always a positive, fun, happy thing (I think you have experienced that fact with Mason). If negative feelings become part of it then it means that something is wrong and that you need to stop and figure out what is wrong and what is causing those negative feelings.

And it's great that after all the drama you were able to have just a fun normal weekend hanging out, and then were able to top it off with Mason at the end.

I think one of the things about having a true, deep relationship with someone is that you get to be open with them and talk about things that you can't really talk about with other people. Getting to vent, and get things off your chest to someone. And being able to do that is really nice. And listening to them when they want to share things is also good because it feels good to understand them better and to know them better and feel connected with them. Sharing in each others' joys is special. But sharing in each others' pains is more special. Being given the opportunity to comfort the one you love, to be someone they can depend on, and trust. It feels good to understand someone completely, and to know that they understand you completely. I guess what I'm getting at is that you can start telling him some of the things that you've been telling us. Like, for example, he knows you go to counseling instead of gym because of the "fight", but does he *really* know why? There are important parts of yourselves that you haven't shown each other yet, but that you'd both like to see, and now over time you can start sharing these things with each other. I'm not saying you have to take things too fast but it's something to think about now that you're officially boyfriends.

Sounds like you had an incredible weekend! It always seemed that your relationship was deeper with Mason than Sara. Do you realize how patient, thoughtful, and considerate Mason has been through your episodes with Sara? He didn't try to force a relationship or maneuver you at all, but patiently and sometimes painfully hung around as a friend, respecting your wishes and your pursuit of Sara.

I think a lot of us here thought that Sara just wasn't real 'relationship' material. She just wanted the sex part (and maybe your hat!) before moving on to the next guy or guys. It could have worked the other way around, but it was Mason who was always a better friend and a deeper and more considerate person, regardless of his sex.

Truly, a real relationship in more than about sex. And as you stated, loyalty is key. Even cheating behind their back is disrespecting them even if they never find out. The golden rule applies: Do unto to others as you would have them do unto you. Don't do anything to them that would make you feel bad if they did that same thing to you.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lFYBLwb3I84 yes I thought of this song when you mentioned all that, I had to post it haha but seriously though I do hope the best for both of you

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thanks guys again. you all crack me up too! texanguy, "sara wanting my hat" lol and the vid jay, omg im not THAT gay lmfao!!!! its not a bad song though.

SUNDAY I MUST POST THIS TOO
Just that me and mason hung out more all day. and we had a really silly, stupid thing happen.. ok well as you know we both were overdue for a shower and mom and dad were gone, jess and colten were still asleep...can you see where this is going... and me and mason shower together every day in gym...so yeah we both jumped in the shower! and of course a few things came up and things weren't real innocent but we didnt get nuts or anything. no orgasms! nothing that wild! but when we came out of the bathroom (with only towels around), yeah, guess who was there...yeah jess and colten. now i knew what was up with us all - you know, i know about jess and colten being together and jess totally knows whats up with me and mason,-- colten probably didnt know, but he didnt seem to care at all, ---but poor MASON! he had a look of terror for about 5 seconds until jess said "you two better have left us some hot water" -- which made everything seem normal and mason seemed relieved lol. but this all lead to a ton of questions from mason and since i just knew jess probably told colten about us i wound up telling mason about them. no i didnt tell him about me and jess!!!! but he was worried that jessy will blab. i told him no way and he believes me. -- this lead to another talk between us. we have established that nobody is going to know about us (well now except for jess and colten) but as far as school or anyone. no never. we live in not a liberal place as my dad says. we are going to say that we are seeing someone though. so if anyone (like sara) or any of my buds asks, i met a girl named megan. and if anyone asks mason is seeing some girl named jade! same intitals! mason=megan jamie=jade lol. --- qubeley you took the words right out of my mouth!!!! i actually am going to tell mason about the belt thing and even nickolas. i dont know when but eventually i will. ----one more thing about sunday, we crossed under the bridge again but this time we made out! lol. i know kind of dumb of us but nobody was around anywhere!

MONDAY
omg school sucked so bad lol! i was so tired and felt wore out by 2nd period! but it was great seeing mason at lunch and gym. we are just really cool friends at school. i mean, here i go acting stuck up, but i kinda think people think were cool. and funny too. were like two comedians! funny little note that i picked up on... in the locker room/showers we are avoiding each other lol! im not sure why lol. is it cuz it might trigger us getting turned on? or is it that now that we are officially together we are both trying harder to hide it from the world??? just something i noticed. no quick looks, no changing sitting next to each other, its just funny. im gonna mention it to mason when i get the chance.

guess who wanted to go to the west doors monday...... s a r a .... she just "told me" to meet her at the doors after 5th period. no i didnt. of course not! i just stood her up but eventually i will tell her all about megan! and what a beautiful dick she has HA!!!!!!! no just kidding!!!!

TRACK PROBLEMS
i am so not doing that well and i cant run distance very well. im great at short, but this running down main street shit is killing me! but here is was freaked me out. i guess i should of known this was coming but we are gonna compete against north and west middle school. then the winners of that races the other school district (which i will not give names of that) lol. -- so i dont know about all that. i dont know if i wanna run infront of some big crowed and actually compete like that. i mean, i guess im doing it regardless but im just sayin im a bit nervous thinkin about all that. i ran today after school on my own trying to build up endurance - thats what coach says i need to do, but he also said not to run today but i did anyway. i guess this is bringing me to today

TUESDAY DAY 1 THE 17TH. HAPPY SAINT PATS DAY!!!!
today i thought sara was gonna be so pissed at me and maybe say shit to me and she didnt even act like she cared! she was just laughing and being devious the way she is. i will tell her about "megan" whenever it happens.
i stopped by hunters today and guess what.....EPIDEMIC......VIRUS....BLACK PLAGUE...his mom said hes sick! hes puking! i bet devin gave it to him. i wonder if noahs gonna get it too. i should go over there and see if hes sick lol. im telling you everyone in this whole area is sick! i can still cough up a mean snot ball if i wanted too lol.

I HAVE A BIG QUESTION FOR EVERYONE and please tell me what you think (like you never do anyway lol) but really, i want your opinion. here is my question:

now i dont do this here on this site at all, but would i be cheating on mason if i got on chat and masturbated with other people? not ctc, or phone sex, just chat and Mutual M. is it really worse then lookin at porn? is it cheating? -- let me know. - you might ask would i feel bad if mason did that, and my answer is before i knew that we were boyfriends i guess it would be ok. just like me and jess doing things. but now that we are official i guess it would bother me. but still is it cheating? cuz its just words. but it IS with someone else? im confused??? again...jamie is confused. ok good nite for now. j

Jamie what that really comes down to is how would you feel if you let's say walked in on Mason and he's video chatting or chatting with someone else and he's jerking off with them. How would that make you feel? If I had a GF and she was doing that with another man, I'd feel personally violated; cause she feels she can't get what she wants with me so she looks to other sources and at that point me personally I'd break up with her. If she's looking at porn I personally wouldn't care that much to be honest. HOWEVER, just chatting and not doing c2c I think that's different entirely but it can and often does lead to doing video; it's how a lot of people get their feet wet if you will with another person. Basically it's ok I trust you let's go further, and for me personally that's when things can get sticky. I wouldn't exactly say it's cheating, but definitely sketchy.

Seeing how heartfelt of a person Mason is and how kind he is to you, you really need to ask yourself do you want to burn that bridge with him, that relationship that is obvious has been going on before you joined the forum that you worked to build it up to the point it is at right now. I think personally Mason would be devastated if he found out that you are doing that with other people maybe from school, other forums, facebook, ect. You are Mason's world at this point in his life he's expressed that to you in many ways. If I were you I would weigh your options, you worked hard to get to this point do you want to take a risk at undoing all that?

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You didn't quite answer your own question when you said "before i knew that we were boyfriends i guess it would be ok." What about now? How would you feel if Mason was getting on line and chatting and masturbating with someone regularly NOW, and keeping it a secret from you? And how would Mason feel about you doing it now? The fact that you were 'confused' probably means that you wouldn't want Mason to know about it. That probably means that if you did it that you'd be keeping it a secret from him and have a little 'sexual thing' going on with someone behind his back.

From the way you describe Mason, I think he would be hurt if he found out you were doing something like that now.

These are the kinds of things that often lead to the downfall and destruction of what otherwise might be a really good relationship. Think about. Do you really want to start keeping secrets from Mason that you are doing 'sexual things' with others? That way leads to more secrets, less sharing, and doing, thinking, and feeling more and more things behind his back that you don't want him to know. Isn't that going in the wrong direction with someone you truly care about?

Since you are having long talks with him, you should be able to tell him that you have done online MB with some people in the past, and see what he says. I would also have to ask, wouldn't that mean that you consider the relationship with Mason not enough, and that you are willing to do sexual things behind his back that you know would hurt him?

How about this idea: If you're going to do something like that online, how about doing it with Mason only?

PS: I just read jayh89's comment. I see that he agrees and stated some things better than I did.

my opinion is i wouldnt call it cheating but im quite sure he would prob be jealous though he might not show it but im quite sure it would bother him u doing stuff on cam with someone else. MB alone is fine but purposely MBing with someone i dont think is right. why do u even want to do that with someone else? do it with him if hes your bf now. its a lot better if u exercise some control and save it for you gf/bf.

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