Wet Dream Forum

Hi all,

I've been a lurker on this site for a few years every now and then but haven't posted in ages. I don't recognise many of the posters here but I guess it'd be cool to get to know new people.

So,a bit about myself. I have tried for a few years to break my 112 record that I reached in 2010. I honestly believe that in the past few years, my masturbating habits and unfortunately porn habits have intensified. Relapses have been consistent when attempting to have more wet dreams or streaks of 'No Fap'. This time though, I feel different, as if i must make 2014 the year that I reach my record of 112 days otherwise I will feel like a failure and very disappointed in myself .

I have installed K9 web protection for blocking out all forms of porn and sexual related stuff and blocked out my email to reset it, just in case I don't justify looking at it again. Most of my relapses occur as a result of porn. It feels as if my mind tricks me, or convinces me, that masturbating to pornographic videos is pretty much a real sexual experience. Of course it doesn't feel like that at all afterwards on reflection nor physically, but before the temptation and during the moment, my brain convinces me that I am experiencing something close to the real thing.

I have made the choice that under no circumstances can I masturbate between 4th September to 25 December Christmas day, which would result in equaling my record f 112 days, and then I can make a decision on whether to continue. I have made it clear to myself that it is not an option to masturbate during that period, that I must explore wet dreams and achieve something that I have wanted for many years.

I have decided to explore the world of Lucid Dreaming and use it as a substitute for masturbating, with the hope that I can achieve some awesome lucid dreams, and later on lucid sex dreams and lucid wet dreams. I plan to make a log of my experiences and share it on here.

Signing out for now, good luck everyone

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Last time I masturbated= 12/4/15
Days without masturbating=12

Welcome back. I think part of the journey is to move beyond denying yourself the 'feel good' of MB to exploring, enjoying, and preferring the feelings and effects of AB over MB.

Take a look at kingpoopa's log to see lots of discussion about the topic of MB, AB, and the effects of both. Kingpoopa seems to have left this site, but he seems to have pretty much moved beyond MB. It starts to get more interesting on page 2.
http://wetdreamforum.com/viewtopic.php?f=9&t=6288

I think anyone interested in AB, WDs, and the effects of MB should read this log.

Thanks for the reply. I'll have to have a read of all those posts. Unfortunately for me, wet dreams dont come so easily, but that may be due to me masturbating very frequently for ten years.

I forgot to mention that already my motivation for lucid dreaming and lucid sex dreaming is fairly high after having one on Sunday morning. I was practicing 'reality checks' throughout the day and I remember seeing a girl in my dreams. I said outloud "Stop, let me have sex with you, I'm dreaming!" The girl smiled at me but vanished and the dream faded but I ended up in a sex scene. I was having sex with a model from behind and I remember ejaculating in the dream. In the dream I woke up and was amazed that I had a wet dream so soon. Already this feels more exciting than masturbating. If I could just make this a regular occurance, I should be able to forget MB and porn for good.

The only thing at the back of my mind is that I've experienced this sort of excitement before but often relapsed when the wet dreams and lucid sex dreams were so far apart, or non-existent. I just have to keep the willpower and be strong when triggers occur and I should be able to beat my record, which means a lot to me.

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Last time I masturbated= 12/4/15
Days without masturbating=12

Congratulations, and of course it feels better and more exciting than MB! Extended ABing is the best way to increase WD frequency, and reading the log in the link might help put MB in a more realistically negative light based on research and observation.

Isn't it interesting, for example, that your WD made you excited to have more WDs, whereas MB would have turned you off to more MB for a while? MB and WDs are indeed different!

Welcome back man. It great to see how determined you are and we are all here to support you. It's a state of mind. So if we stay mentally strong it works. If we don't or have an off day then we should be able to reach out and talk to someone to help us through our weak moment. So you have been abstaining since September 4th?

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My kik is a_t_c747 if anyone needs to talk. Just let me know you are from WDF. I'm here to support

Ah, I should have made it clearer.I had a dream of a wet dream! But even that felt better than MB lol.

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Last time I masturbated= 12/4/15
Days without masturbating=12

I am very determined. I just need to be determined at 'weak' points. But I feel like this time around that its different. I can't face the shame of not being able to break my record this time around. I just need to patient and I should be ok.

Yes, I started on September 4th so just approaching two weeks which is a good start.

www.reddit.com/r/nofap may be helpful for you when you're feeling weak, but it has a different slant on why to abstain. still it may be helpful.

It'd be good to get to know you, see you around!

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Last time I masturbated= 12/4/15
Days without masturbating=12

Congratulations on your success so far man. That inspires me to keep going strong

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My kik is a_t_c747 if anyone needs to talk. Just let me know you are from WDF. I'm here to support

I had a strange dream last night. I had a dream that I was hovering over a bed and I was trying to have a spontaneous ejaculation in the dream my making myself aroused but not touching myself. I have attempted this in real life before on ABs but I haven't achieved ejaculation from it. Anyway, in the dream I was only semi-erect and I was struggling to get a full erection. The dream felt pretty lame and had no real pleasure at all, just anxiety about not being able to become erect. I remember waking up and thinking to myself, what if I had realised that I was dreaming? I could have completely changed the dream and done something sexually exciting.

At the moment I'm trying to simply induce dreams so that I can remember and experience at least a dream a night. I have been able to do this successfully 5 times in the past 6 nights. My method involves 'wake back to bed', a common lucid dreaming method, where I wake up from an alarm about 5-6 hours into my sleep, and reenter REM sleep about half an hour later. I think that this method could be experimented by members who use this forum in an attempt to achieve wet dreams, without bothering to become lucid (if they choose to). I would certainly like to experiment with this and It'd be interested if it becomes a success, but I'm not really expecting anything to come from it after only two weeks. I remember having a vivid wet dream after waking up and going back to sleep again, so who knows what could be the result of wake back to bed for wet dreamers.

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Last time I masturbated= 12/4/15
Days without masturbating=12

I read Kinpoopa's log and the discussion was fascinating at times. It's strange how he has completely disassociated from masturbation but he's still addicted to porn. Most people on NoFap sites are addicted to the both combined. As you said, hopefully he will find the wetdreams more exciting than porn when they become more vivid. Although he claims that he won't ever masturbate by hand again, even guys over on nofap over 400 days have relapsed. I have blocked out all forms of form with K9 web protection. But I think it's necessary because it has caused issues in the past for me when there has been a moment of madness. Perhaps its suitable for Kingpoopa but of course that is up to him.

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Last time I masturbated= 12/4/15
Days without masturbating=12

I read Kinpoopa's log and the discussion was fascinating at times. It's strange how he has completely disassociated from masturbation but he's still addicted to porn. Most people on NoFap sites are addicted to the both combined. As you said, hopefully he will find the wetdreams more exciting than porn when they become more vivid. Although he claims that he won't ever masturbate by hand again, even guys over on nofap over 400 days have relapsed. I have blocked out all forms of form with K9 web protection. But I think it's necessary because it has caused issues in the past for me when there has been a moment of madness. Perhaps its suitable for Kingpoopa but of course that is up to him.

By knowing that porn isn't an option for me now after installing K9 web protection, hopefully masturbating won't be considered and the lucid dreaming and wake back to bed experiments will make me lose interest in masturbation.

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Last time I masturbated= 12/4/15
Days without masturbating=12

Just approaching day 20 which is a good foundation. I feel in control at the moment and I don't feel tempted to MB. My 112 day record is looming in the distance with 92 days to go, which is Christmas day. I keep counting how long to go and what day I am on at the moment, which isn't that healthy to be honest because it can lead to being a bit obsessive and interfering with other aspects of my life. I've been able to stop that by thinking to myself, "I GET ON WITH MY DAY" which is a good affirmation if you find yourself obsessing a bit too much about your streak.

I haven't had any sex dreams since my last post but I've been dreaming nearly every night. My hope is that if I dream regularly, I should find myself having a sexual dream every now and again, which could lead to a wet dream.

I've kind of lost motivation for lucid dreaming because I got exhausted trying the wake back to bed method. Waking up at 4am and losing an hours sleep for three nights in a row seems to have burnt me out a bit. I'll practice lucid dreaming more further on in my streak when a wet dream/ lucid wet dream is more likely.

I attempted a no touch sexual hypnosis last night (I don't know the official term for such practices) and it was a pleasant experience.Although I didn't have an orgasm with ejaculation,it was exciting to experience something sexual other than masturbation and I think with a full blown orgasm and ejaculation, it would definitely beat regular masturbation. The general feelings did feel better than masturbating and I enjoyed the unique sensations that it gave me, and I think I'd be able to achieve an orgasm with more practice and with a longer streak. With this in mind I have made a formal decision, which is to not use these type of audios until I have broken my 112 record. The reasons for this are as follows;
1. I'd like to break my record without a waking ejaculation. I may feel like I've 'cheated' if I make have had a deliberate waking orgasm
along the way.
2. The build up of sexual fluids without release and the high sexual desire has led to moments of madness in the past. I want to eradicate this from happening because I really need to break my 112 day record and don't want to take any risks here due to past failures.
3. This streak is for wet dreams. A waking orgasm could hinder a wet dream.
4. I may become addicted to the audios and use them as much as I used to masturbate and that may hinder wet dreams further.

I know this is a large post and I doubt many people will be too interested in reading everything, but I feel that this will be an important post for me to refer back to in the future.

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Last time I masturbated= 12/4/15
Days without masturbating=12

Approaching the end of day 24. I am still feeling extremely committed to making it to Christmas day and leveling my 112 record, to the point where I feel I would never forgive myself if I were to fail to achieve this. I know that sounds a bit dramatic but it has been 4 years since I made it to 112 days and I can't imagine myself not making it this time around. I haven't felt close to giving in year, although I have had moments of irritability but I think thats common for everyone on Abs, at least now and again. The majority of the time I'm happier on ABs so I'm not letting these thoughts intrude my streak.

I seem to have lost the will to practice reality checks and induce lucid dreams. I don't know why but I've lost a bit of passion for it. I kind of feel like I'm too far away from getting wet dreams and the reality checks and wake back to bed disturb my days and nights too much. I feel like I'd have more motivation after, let's say 90 days or more, when a wet dream is much more likely. I've started to think now that I'm being a bit short sited here. If I am able to have a few months practicing lucid dreaming and then initiate lucid dreaming when in 'wet dream mode' , the experience and practice could help me have some very pleasurable experiences. I'm strongly considering a plan to practice LD in the short term future, but this time I won't disturb my sleep patterns as much as I did two weeks ago.

I have some other plans for the future which I will implement around December time,with the assumption that I will be close to 'wet dream mode'. I want to try the following;

-Going to bed with a condom on for perhaps a month, to have an accurate measure of how much I release from a wet dream.
-Wake back to bed to induce more dreams, to spur on wet dreams. This is just a general experiment, not an expectation
- Living on a strict fitness regime with a strict diet to see if it spurs on more wet dreams. This will be implemented for the first few weeks of December, but not after that as the Christmas period is a fun time for guilty pleasures.

Although I have K9 web protection and looking at porn isn't an option, I still have the odd look at soft porn on youtube and erotic hypnosis, which I was trying to give up, but at least I'm not trying hands free orgasm since Tuesday . I don't feel close to masturbating after looking at these videos, but the unnecessary extra build up of fluids is making me irritable and I'll try to refrain as much as possible until I'm closer to or in 'wet dream mode'.

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Last time I masturbated= 12/4/15
Days without masturbating=12

Regarding lucid dreaming, I've had a change of mind. I want to try getting back into it again but this time I'll only practice wake back to bed twice a week on work mornings in order to prevent burnout. I can always have a lie in on the weekends after practicing wake back to bed. Although I'm miles away from wet dream mode I think its a good idea to practice lucid dreaming once again. I've had small successes after only a bit of practice with reality checks and wake back to bed, so I have potential to make it happen regularly and with more control. Hopefully once I make wet dream mode and have a good basis for lucid dreaming, lucid sex dreaming and lucid wet dreaming could lead to very pleasurable experiences.

Lucid dreaming plan for W/C 29/9/14

1. Every day I will practice reality checks which will involve me thoroughly questioning whether I am in reality, rather than just checking if the clock is showing an accurate time. The hope is that I should be able to thoroughly question if I am in reality in the dream world, as waking actions are often replicated in the dream world. If I am able to realise that I'm dreaming, I have the potential to do anything I want.

2.For Tuesday, Thursday, Saturday and Sunday, I will attempt wake back to bed after five hours sleep and return to sleep after half an hour to an hour of being awake.


I will comment later this week if anything interesting happens.

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Last time I masturbated= 12/4/15
Days without masturbating=12

Damn I'm annoyed with myself! For the first time in 25 days I looked at porn. I used the app store on my ipod touch to get a new web browser and I searched for porn. I'm annoyed with myself because showing a moment of weakness with porn could indicate to me that I could show a sign of weakness with masturbation, but I think that's just general anxiety about failing in the future. I believe that my fear of failure comes from previous ABs streaks where I couldn't go any longer. I need to just believe in myself, in the now and in the future, but past failures make that so difficult .

The only good thing to come from it was that it was boring. It was just dull. I'm looking at a computer screen, whilst watching other people have sex. I'm not involved, and I never will be. Masturbating to it won't make me involved at all, that just feels dull and boring. Hopefully this will make me realise that chasing lucid sex dreams and lucid wet dreams is the way to go because it involves some action, participation and pleasure. Please, to my future self, DO NOT LOOK AT PORN! DO NOT MASTURBATE!

I've been doing regular reality checks today and I'm planning a wake back to bed at 4am this morning. Hopefully I can gain some lucidity and see where it leads to.

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Last time I masturbated= 12/4/15
Days without masturbating=12

I think attitude play a big role. You don't want to fight the urge to MB. Instead, you want to feel horny and excited about your next WD while seeing MB as a totally boring and unfulfilling turn off. I think that is exactly the way many full time WDers are.

So far I haven't felt like I need to fight the urge, but I definitely have felt like its necessary to be on guard at times, just so that thoughts don't wander and let my emotions lead onto masturbating. I know that sounds dramatic and over the top, but I have been in those positions so many times before that its not worth taking the risk. I feel that once my confident with ABs comes back, I should be able to completely turn off the idea of MB and I strongly believe that time will come in the next few months, but for now I prefer to just monitor and control my thoughts,emotions and actions.

The good news is that I am successfully learning to lucid dream, and it has been reported over the internet on WDF and by NoFap posters, that the extra testosterone can help with inducing lucid dreams and improves vividness of dreams. As a result, I don't feel like I want to hinder my lucid dream chances by masturbating and the idea of that makes ABs seem much easier.

Anyway, here are the details of my lucid dreaming success last night. I was practicing reality checks all day and made a note of over 20 reality checks in the day. As planned, I woke up at 4.30am and returned to sleep just after 5am. I remember realising that I was dreaming whilst I was in my kitchen. It felt so real at the time that I had to do a reality check in the dream to see if I was dreaming or not, and I was able to determine that I was definitely dreaming because when I jumped up, I was floating rather than falling back to the floor. I thought to myself, "imagine a hot girl is in front of me, I can have sex with her because I'm dreaming!" Nothing happened and I was fairly disappointed, so I thought to myself, why not masturbate to force a wet dream? I tried to but I got bored after a few seconds and thought, "Nah, I want to make the most of this opportunity while I am lucid." A YouTuber I watch in real life turned up beside me and took me outside into the garden. He taught me to float upwards by flapping my hands to my side. I floated way up into the sky and saw my house and neighborhood from the sky and floated down, hitting the floor with ease. I then decided to spin a web out of my hand as if I was Spider-Man! The web hit the house and flew out of my hand. I then decided to do it again and swing. I did so and my web and myself hit the house, but it felt like a soft sponge rather than a brick wall. Unfortunately the dream started to fade soon afterwards. I woke up a tiny bit disappointed that I couldn't have sex in the lucid dream, but was delighted to have such a fascinating lucid dreaming experience.

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Last time I masturbated= 12/4/15
Days without masturbating=12

What Texanguy wrote about MB denial is exactly right. It's also right for any addiction. No one can recover from an addiction if they continue to desire the forbidden action or substance. Denying ones self something that is intensely desired never works long term. The only hope for recovery is to find joy and pleasure in other ways, and not cravings for the undesired activity. If you have no interest in or desire for the activity, you are actually in recovery. Eventually one in recovery has pity and sympathy for those who continue to do the undesired activity.

Interesting! I had a somewhat Lucid dream myself this morning, and it was far from being sexual. I actually thought I was still awake and imaging the things I was seeing in the dream. Lucid dreams really do intrigue me.

Also, interesting point Slider. I never thought of it in that way.

The idea of lucid dreaming has appealed to me for over a year now but I haven't had the motivation to go for it because of my studies and being really busy in general. At the moment I have more time on my hands. The idea of lucid dreaming, and the ultimate goal of lucid sex dreaming/lucid wet dreaming, really strongly appeals to me.

Last night I had another attempt at wake back to bed. Just like Tuesday morning, I fell to sleep at around 11:30pm and woke up at 4:30am by the use of an alarm. I was asleep just after 5am. I didn't have dreams as vivid as they were on Tuesday, but I did have vague dreams, albeit short and vague. I remember one dream where I was in my back room facing the garden. I saw a few girls standing around talking. For some reason I realised I was dreaming just before that point and I remember trying to open the window to get outside, which was an attempt to have sex with one of the girls. I wasn't able to open it or make the window vanish, even though I knew I was in a dream. The dream faded very quickly and it was too vague to really control it as I would have liked. Still, I'm not feeling downhearted because next time it could be a different story.

I also had another strange sexual dream. I was able to do a handstand and I had a hard errection. I remember my errection getting larger and larger, to the point where it was big enough and strong enough to hold my weight whilst extending beyond my head

Hopefully a full blown lucid sex dream will happen soon.

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Last time I masturbated= 12/4/15
Days without masturbating=12

I'm delighted that I will have made it to a month at midnight. That is the furthest I've got to in ages and I am full of confidence and motivation to make it to Christmas day and beyond After making it this far, I can't imagine myself not achieving my goal, as the negative feelings of depression and worthlessness would not be worth the hassle. I don't want to think that its a foregone conclusion, but I generally feel that I won't be able to forgive myself for failing this time. I'm looking forward to making it much further than Christmas into the New Year, but I plan to just enjoy the journey until then. I have laid out the basic foundations now and wish to build on it until I reach my goal.

I attempted a wake back to bed again this morning and I didn't even become the slightest bit lucid which was slightly irritating. I remember a dream but there was no lucidity whatsoever. Although that is annoying, I think I've remembered at least a dream a night for two days, during the past two weeks, and I've been able to remember my dreams really well. This is encouraging because I have a hunch that regular dreams could one day lead onto a sexual dream, which may contribute to a wet dream. But for all I know, my hunch could be complete nonsense and go against the science of nocturnal emissions I will actually make a post about this on the general discussion forum, to see if regular dreamers tend to have more nocturnal emissions with a sexual dream alongside the emission.

Wake back to bed can make me very tired the morning after and this morning was a real struggle to get out of bed. But tomorrow is Saturday and I have no real plans, so I've decided to try a variation on the wake back to bed I've attempted this week. This technique involves waking up every 90 minutes of sleep and returning to sleep 15-30 minutes later. The idea of this is to re-enter REM sleep from a conscious position, in order to recognise dreaming more, thus making lucidity and control of dreams much easier. I'll give it a go tonight and see what happens. To be honest, being able to hover around or be Spider-Man would be welcomed again but to induce a sexual lucid dream is my number one wish for tonight

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Last time I masturbated= 12/4/15
Days without masturbating=12

NOTE: change the following sentence from two to ten.

I think I've remembered at least a dream a night for TEN days, during the past two weeks, and I've been able to remember my dreams really well

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Last time I masturbated= 12/4/15
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I was too tired to try wake back to bed last night but I think I become lucid for a while. I seem to remember noticing that I was lucid and I saw this hot girl in a room with me. I remember going up to her about to have sex with her. She was hesitating and didn't like my forceful manner, when I said to her " you're in my dream", basically implying to her that she wasn't real. She had a look of acceptance to my comment and I recall trying to have intercourse with her. I felt my body vibrate a few times but the dream faded very quickly after that, perhaps within seconds. The dream was also fairly vague and a long time before I woke up so there may be the possibility that it would have felt more intense if I had woken up sooner.

A part of me feels like trying to get lucid dreams is taking up too much time, energy and sleep away from me. But another part of me is thinking that I could build on these successes and trigger lucid wet dreams once I am in 'wet dream mode'. I'm looking forward to what the next few months has in store for me, but I just wish I could make those lucid dreams more vivid and last longer

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Last time I masturbated= 12/4/15
Days without masturbating=12

Even though you haven't achieved you goal yet, you seem to be making significant progress. As you seem to agree, I think seeing MB as inferior, boring, and an unacceptable option can help focus your brain on doing it in exciting WDs, lucid or not.

Good luck in reaching your goal!

I don't think my dream recall would be as good without my streak of abstinence ( it seems to have improved a lot recently), and I think that it will improve further as my streak increases further. This is one new reason as to why I wouldn't want to throw my streak away by masturbating.

You may or may not have read my post about a lucid dream I had earlier this week, but I was in a lucid dream and realised that there was a possibility of having a wet dream in reality by masturbating in the dream, but I got bored of it (and put off the thought of it) within seconds, and once I noticed that sex wasn't likely in the dream, I enjoyed a regular lucid dream. So perhaps even my subconscious is starting to become put off by the idea of masturbating.Do you think that could be a possibility? I don't miss masturbation but I would like to have an orgasm with ejaculation by other means i.e. with a partner or through a wet dream.

for your input and interest on my log

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I'm coming up to 33 days of no masturbation and I’ve been doing some thinking this evening. I have always been convinced that I was never addicted to masturbation, that I never needed it because I could stop if I wanted to, and that I was never reliant on it like those porn addicts I’ve read about on the internet in recent years. But I have been asking myself the following question with a lot of analysis- was that true for me? Sure I was able to go without porn for the majority of the time, unlike some of the guys on yourbrainonporn and r/nofap. But in terms of masturbation, I’ve just had to face that fact that I was a two times a day guy, with a third on many occasions too. My porn sessions seemed to intensify and last longer about two years ago too. With this in mind, I ask myself, and urge you lot to reply here if you can, was I really not addicted to masturbation?

For myself, and from what I’ve read on the internet for other people, there is a lot of confusion regarding what is and what isn't a safe amount of masturbation. But I started thinking this evening that I have been going overboard with it in recent years because I would very rarely go a day without masturbation unless I was away for a few days without the no opportunities to or I made a big effort to start a streak of ABs. Who knows what damage may come my way if I continued on like this for the next few years. What if I’m desensitising my penis and other organs, with the risk that sex won’t be as enjoyable as it should be (I’m a virgin at 22, by the way)? What if my ‘death grip’ someday leads to permanent damage to the skin or the penis if I were to carry on? What if masturbating the way I was causes fractures that are difficult to ever repair, thus making sex painful or unpleasant?

These questions have been running through my head and I’m starting to think that I need to reevaluate my past habit. I need to determine whether its necessary for me to make a decision on whether or not I should quit masturbation for good and just say goodbye to it forever. Hopefully my body will reward me with wet dreams as a way of saying thank you for laying off the jerking off, ! I really hope that one day in the distant future, I'll look back at this post in the with happiness and joy, knowing that I made the decision to stop masturbating.

For now, I’m just looking forward to beating my record of 112 on Christmas day and nothing more really. However I strongly believe that there needs to be a stronger reason to continue past that point, and to me, the concept of working towards a ‘restored penis ‘ (in terms of more pleasure from sex if I quit masturbating and making sure I don’t injure my penis) should be my motivation as I go into the new year of 2015 on day 119.

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It sounds like you have an addiction simply because MB is not necessary. But of course millions of other guys are also addicted and are in the same boat. However, there are also millions of guys, especially in other cultures and throughout history, that never had the MB habit. WDs are the norm for millions of guys, and I would argue that since WDs normally feel better, more exciting, and more rewarding than MB, and WDs don't normally give the 'post-MB letdown', that WDs are the more normal and preferred outlet.

One indication that MB is an addiction is that having it as a daily habit makes it almost impossible to seriously think about quitting. But after 33 days of AB, it becomes possible to imagine actually quitting, which I think in part is the realization that extended AB actually feels good and has benefits even besides the superior outlet of WDs.

I'm not sure there is much in the way of physical harm from MB, although it does seem reasonable that the nerves could become desensitized from repeated excessive stimulation. I think the main 'damage' has more to do with training the brain and nerve endings along the lines of porn and MB as the main outlet. But 'desensitization' can be seen as 'damage', and some of it could be long lasting. This can cause it to be harder to reach full pleasure and orgasm from other modes of mental and physical stimulation. This includes the reduction or elimination of the natural outlet of WDs.

We find that older people who had been MBing for years or decades often have a harder time getting WDs when they stop MB, as if the WD brain paths wither away from disuse. It would seem that younger guys today should seriously consider severely cutting back or quitting MB before their brain wiring becomes too set on porn/MB as the normal outlet.

If you look at various 'no fap' forums, you'll see that one reason guys go on no fap is because they find that their porn/MB addiction makes it difficult or impossible for some of them to perform regular sex. Guys on extended no fap then often report being 'cured', and are able to perform sexually completely fine.

I think it's interesting that many guys on extended no fap report being able to have sex multiple times in one night when they finally do it, even though they had trouble having sex at all before. This says a couple of things. One is (logically) that sex will feel better if you don't have the MB habit. The other is that going without orgasms for months has no effect on being able to have multiple orgasms from sex in a short time. In fact, it seems like guys who had trouble reaching orgasm with sex in the past could now have sex more often in a 24 hour period than they ever did from MB, at least when it had been a while since they last had sex.

So it does seem that MB can negatively affect the performance and enjoyment of sex. Wanting to be natural, ready, and naturally fine tuned for sex kind of means seeing MB or edging as inappropriate and damaging, and thus become more of a turn off. That could make WDs more likely.

Since you are concerned about MB as opposed to being happily addicted to it, and also really want to be having sex in lucid wet dreams, I say go for it. Go natural. Keep working on having your lucid WDs that seem to be getting ever closer. Mentally deciding not to MB anymore may help you reach your goal.

Texanguy, thank you for your detailed post. I agree with all of your points and I think your post will be a very informative reference for the future. If I ever have moments of madness where I'm tempted to masturbate, which luckily hasn't been the case recently whatsoever, this will be the first post on my list to look back on.

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Days without masturbating=12

I've started to use sexual hypnosis for a hands free orgasm again, and I've tried to attempt it with just sexual thoughts. On both occasions I felt hard erections, fairly intense arousal, increased heartbeat and breathing and spilling out pre-cum. I haven't been able to have a proper orgasm or ejaculation from it yet.

It feels much better than a normal masturbation session, it just lacks the end product of an intense orgasm and ejaculation, but it's still an enjoyable experience.A part of me really enjoys this new sensation that I've been able to experience but another part of me realises that I shouldn't be attempting this. As posted a few weeks back, the reasons for this are because I don't want to hinder my chances of a wet dream if I ejaculate or pre-cum too much, I don't want to build fluids up too much when my body is too far away from knowing how to give me a wet dream and I want to break 112 days without having a deliberate waking orgasm and ejaculation.

I really want to give this up temporarily but it kind of feels like an exciting substitution to masturbating by hand. I guess the positives are that I'm experiencing a new sensation other than masturbating by hand.

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Last time I masturbated= 12/4/15
Days without masturbating=12

On one hand it's good to feel pleasure knowing that I'm not ejaculating fully (which would probably damage time until my first wet dream) but on the other hand it's worrying me that even the pre-cumming is hindering wet dream chances . I should really stop it but it feels nice

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Last time I masturbated= 12/4/15
Days without masturbating=12