Wet Dream Forum

You are right, I think that working on a waking hands free orgasm will almost certainly reduce or eliminate WDs. Rather than retraining your brain to have sex in WDs, you'd be training your brain to do hands free forced ejaculations while awake.

Thanks for your liking my long post. Part of it was based on long time thoughts and observations, but part of it was also based on your previous post about MB desensitizing the penis and making sex less enjoyable. It fits with the facts about guys quitting MB and enjoying sex and being able to perform more.

I think your main goal is to be having intense sex in lucid WDs. It seems like getting the nerves and brain paths properly sensitized, and wanting to stay that way, can help bring on the WDs. And when properly sensitized and ready, it would seem that MB could become the wrong kind of stimulation and a real turn off. Even the muscles used are different. One involves rapid arm motion and overly intense physical stimulation, and the other involves longer and slower pelvic thrusts. I think that is essentially the way a lot of full time WDers who enjoy their WDs see it. They look forward to having sex yet again in their next WD, but they don't even think about MB as an option and see it as a real turn off.

It's logically harder to condition yourself to fall asleep looking forward to having sex in the next WD when you also want to induce a waking hands free orgasm. Besides, what's so good about forcing a waking hands free orgasm when you could be having the full deal in WDs?

You might try postponing forcing a waking hands free orgasm until after you start having regular WDs. After say 20 WDs or so, you can reconsider trying it. At that point doing it once will allow you to compare it to WDs, and it may not postpone the next WD by too much.

But by then you may very well see little reason to bother with it.

I'm definitely going to stop doing it for now and I'll think I may attempt it again in the future, once I have had a few wet dreams, because I would like to experiment with different forms of sexual pleasure other than masturbating by hand. Would you say that pre-cumming from attempting a hands free orgasm would prevent or eliminate a wet dream? It'd be interesting if you know or have a hunch about whether or not it does, but either way, I need to have the discipline to stop doing it for now.

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I hate days like today It was just a lonely, boring old Saturday to be honest and I didn't even leave the house because I felt so depressed and down. I attempted hands free orgasm again and surprise surprise it didn't work. It's just so unnecessary to mess around like this but a part of me just felt like I wanted something other than boredom, depressing thoughts and feelings. I now feel that I won't mind if I have a hands free orgasm because I'm intrigued about it and its a new sensation for me, even if it delays a wet dream for a month I wouldn't mind if it left me feeling amazing. However what I won't allow for myself is masturbating by hand and for about two seconds after not being able to orgasm, I had thoughts of masturbating. I was able to intercept the thoughts very quickly but I'm annoyed that I put myself in a completely unnecessary state of mind, and I'm annoyed that I let myself feel like this in the first place. If I had lost control at that point and masturbated, my goal would have been shattered to pieces and it's a worrying thought to think that could have been the case today, or another day if I ended up feeling the same way. I also had thoughts of buying a fleshlight and unblocking K9 web protection for porn so that I could try something new, but once again, I shouldn't be getting into deep thought about ejaculating in waking life when my goal is for wet dreams/lucid wet dreams .

I think I have to accept that although most of the time I'm really glad I'm abstaining, I have to deal with my emotions better when I have moments like today. I want to break my 112 day record, to have wet dreams and lucid wet dreams, but I don't want it to have a negative impact on my mental state and I have find ways of dealing with the depressing and lonely feelings e.c.t. I was able to do this temporarily by having a nap, and my exhaustion may have led to the irritable feelings, but either way, I should not leave myself feeling like this in future.

I'm grateful that I'm still going but I'll definitely need be more careful in future.

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I feel a lot better today than yesterday, but I still felt pretty bad this morning. I attempted a no hands hypnosis again (I'm really beating myself up about this lol ) and once again it felt nice but didn't result in an orgasm with ejaculation but I think I may have had a mini orgasm, I dunno. As well as not even being able to achieve the point of it, I may have postponed my wet dreams further, which is annoying as hell.

My emotional state improved later on in the Afternoon. After having moments of stress and anxiety about my life in general, I decided to sit down in a quiet room and breath in and out counting down from 10 to 1. This helped me calm my feelings down a lot and I felt more in control of my thoughts and emotions. A few hours later I went for a walk in the rain to clear my head, which has been the first time I've left the house this weekend. It got me thinking, no wonder I'm all stressed and irritable and trying to search for a dopamine rush from a hands free orgasm, when my week consists of 9 to 5 at work, and every other hour of the whole week stuck in doors.

So I think I need to plan in advance what I'm going to be doing each evening and weekend, just so that my general thinking and emotions are under control. I think that staying indoors all day has heightened the desire for an orgasm because I lack a dopamine high, and that is not healthy at all. I mean, I want to reach 112 days of nofap, experience wet dream e.c.t. but I shouldn't make it a stressful experience and I should try to enjoy the days as they come rather than feeling irritable and letting my mind wonder to hands free orgasms and fleshlights e.c.t.

So it got me thinking... What can I do to fill my hours Well, I think trying to lose weight could be a great thing to work towards. I am 22 years old and I'm definitely overweight. What makes it more painful is that I used to be a good runner when I was younger, trained twice a week and competed in X-Country and track events. I left school and my depression due to my social anxiety led me to feeling very low on energy and confidence, and I no longer had any enjoyment in sports like I used to, thus quit all sporting activity including working on my own personal fitness. Six years later and I weigh 13st. 10lbs, with a bulging stomach and a fatty face. I think this weight issue comes from comfort eating and it has to end. So I have decided that now on day 39, instead of letting my sexual energy build up to the point where I want a hands free orgasm and to use a fleshlight, I want to transfer it towards exercising and losing weight. I feel like I should now have a long enough streak to have more sexual energy and testosterone pumping around me to allow me to exercise with more oomph, although I believe that my terrible diet and lifestyle may have led to that being shortened a lot ( I guess being more healthier increases testosterone even more), so I haven't really felt the 'superpowers' or T-buzz' like I should do.

These deep thoughts have led me to wanting to buy a hypnosis audio for weight loss. I'd like to use Paul Mckenna, but I'm unsure which one I want to go for out of 'gastric band' hypnosis, 'I can make you thin' or 'freedom from comfort eating'.I'm more tempted to buy the second one to start off with.

I understand that this post is huge and I can imagine that many will be turned off from looking at my log at all because of the size of my posts, but going though old posts and making a log of my thoughts is really helping me.

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Day 40

Yesterday I spent about an hour talking to a few people in the chat room. It's awesome to just communicate with people about a common goal and it helped me put things into perspective after feeling that I had a rough couple of days. I will participate with more people on chat in future.

I don't have any desires to attempt a hands free orgasm at the moment and I'm so glad about that. It's coming up to 2 days since I attempted it which feels like progress considering how ridiculous I was getting with it. I was attempting it for nearly an hour on Monday morning and it took me another hour to get to sleep, eventually falling asleep at 2am. That for me is the final straw as my work really suffered and I had a headache from 4pm onward right up until about 9pm. I felt so much better today after going to bed without getting myself aroused deliberately and my sleep dramatically improved on Tuesday morning too. Considering this, I have decided to implement a new rule for the seven days as a general experiment, and that is a 'no deliberate arousal policy'. I'll remember it as NAP. I think this is a great idea for me because it can give me less temptations me from searching for hands free orgasms, it will allow me to have unnecessary irritability from being too horny and as I found during the night, I should be able to sleep a lot better and therefore function better during the day.

Part of the NAP will include not looking up sexual material, not starting or continuing to fantasise at all and of course, not attempting a hands free orgasm. Hopefully with a bit of luck, implementing this will make me feel a lot better about myself.

I have received a Paul Mckenna combined book, DVD and CD called 'I can make you thin' and I plan to start day one tomorrow, hoping that I can eat better, exercise and lose weight in the 90 day plan he has provided in his book. Hopefully I will feel better about myself in general as a result and with a bit of luck, I will feel more of the benefits of the 'T-buzz' and 'superpowers', which I feel have been limited because of my appalling lifestyle.

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Damn it . I have had like two days where I feel neutral and at ease for most of the time, until today where I just feel awful. If I had a fleshlight right by my side I'd say it'd be game over. Seriously, the urges to buy a fleshlight and use it to porn have been going wild and I think it's because my body is craving a dopamine rush after such a depressing day. Luckily for me, I don't have any urges to masturbate by hand. My depressing thoughts come from the fact that I can't see myself in a relationship with anyone and I don't even have any friends. My life seems to be going nowhere and I realise that my youth is only a few years from ending. It sucks so much at the moment and I just want these feelings to disappear.

One part of my brain is telling me to buy a fleshlight and use it, but there's another part of my brain saying no, this is not what I want because it will stop me from getting wet dreams and stop me from breaking my ABs record. I also keep reminding myself that my depressing feelings have nothing to do with whether I masturbate or not as it has no influence on it whatsoever.Masturbating with a fleshlight may make the feelings subside for a short period of time, but the depression will come back just as hard as before, only with a bit more on the top because I didn't achieve my goal. I guess I just have to keep up my willpower and let the feelings pass. It seems like I have no other choice

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Hang in there mate.

I know how frustrating it can be. Luckily the urges are not huge on your end.

Thanks Myles.

Coming up to day 48. I was really miserable last week and it continued until Saturday and then tapered off. Luckily I feel much better now. I'm a little frustrated that I can't seem to find a girlfriend even on a dating website, but I'm also just coming to terms with it that it's not meant to be for now. I think this has been a big part of my depressing feelings and mood, and because I'm not going to be having sex any time soon whilst I'm full of more sperm than usual, the urges and interest to buy and use a fleshlight have been very strong.

Bearing this in mind, I've kind of been thinking that I will definitely not stop my streak by masturbating from hand (once I've broken my record and if I decide to not continue), as it simply does not appeal to me because I've done it so many times that it appears boring, dull and repetitive just thinking about it. On the other hand a fleshlight appears to be new, something fresh and apparently a realistic feeling to sex. This has got me thinking If I buy and use a fleshlight, I am basically surrendering to my struggles with dating, and making a statement to myself that there is no need to chase relationships or sex, because the fleshlight is satisfying enough. I feel that this is a big factor holding me back from buying a fleshlight, as if it'd hold me back more in the future from being happier and that it's not worth the effort

I also think that my depression has stopped me from focusing on what I wanted in the first place from this journey.I've had no energy or interest for working towards lucid dreaming and I've not started to exercise and lose weight in the hope that it'll make my bodily functions work better. I'm also considering planning on and off days where I make myself really horny one day, and the next day deny or sexual thoughts, and alternate for a week or two to see if wet dreams are more likely in either circumstance. I'd like to experiment with these type of things after perhaps the ten week mark, because for now I just want to relax and not try to force myself to do things I'm not in the mood, for because a WD feels too far away.

I know that my log recently has been all doom and gloom but once again, it helps to get my thoughts down and look back through previous posts. I aim to look back at this time period with hapiness, knowing that althought things got tough, I made it to wet dream land in the end and finally got wet dreams on a consistent basis

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Exercise can help depression. You should force yourself to exercise, and will probably feel better as a result. Exercise should also increase your chances for WDs as well as improve your mood.

From what you are saying, a fleshlight seems to be little more than a substitute for MB, and would probably result in a big letdown. It would also interfere with your goal of WDs, which is what you really want.

I think it is likely quite natural at some point for guys to feel that MB "simply does not appeal to me because I've done it so many times that it appears boring, dull and repetitive just thinking about it." I think being turned off by MB while wanting to have sex in WDs can help you get the WDs. Many full time WDers who enjoy their WDs get horny for another WD while being completely turned off by the thought of MB.

WDs also don't have to be lucid. Even if the lucid part is not going well it doesn't mean you can't have non-lucid WDs anyway. Perhaps it is easier to start the WDs first and then make them lucid.

Hey if it feels good, don't stop. I think it might even help with having a wet dream.

I can't believe that I am about to post this as I'm still in a bit of shock. BRB I need to do a time and date reality check..... Ok, I'm in reality .

I just woke up from a wet dream in the past 20 minutes Man, I can't believe it just happened after just 51 days. At 18 it took 88 days to get my first ever wet dream and being 4 years older I expected my first one after 100 days at least. I'm going to go through what happened but also my behavior two days before it happened.

On Thursday evening I found a way to unblock K9 web protection without a password, on youtube. At first I was kind of stunned that it'd happened, and a bit nervous that maybe I'd be more tempted to masturbate in the future, although at the time and up until now, I have had no interest to masturbate to it. Instead I just got intrigued and watched a lot of porn in the evenings right before I went to bed, on Thursday and Friday night. I let myself become as aroused as I wanted, with pants and boxers off, and just laid there trying to picture myself as the guy who was having the pleasure, but under no circumstances could I touch my erect penis I was able to accept this because I don't want to chase something I've experienced thousands of times before.... I pre-cummed quite a lot from it and felt fairly aroused. Anyway, last night I listened to Isabella Valentine's Jackpot hypnosis, which tries to make you hypnotised into a hands free orgasm. Although it felt erotic and fascinating to be in a relaxed state at the same time, I wasn't able to ejaculate but once again, produced a reasonable amount of pre-cum.

So I went to sleep last night at about 2am and woke up at 740am to a wet dream. In the dream, I had to carry loads of stuff back with me at a train station for some reason. I couldn't really make sense why in the dream but I was cautious about a massive sleeping blanket of stuff I didn't want to lose. I remember shortly after just lying down in a bed but I don't know how I got from one place to the other.For some reason I was able to get a backside in front of me, but it felt like it was my own backside on top of me in the dream. I know that sounds confusing but I guess in drams anything makes sense. I guess because there wasn't another person in the room with me, this object was seen as part of my body within my mind. Anyway, I remember getting the ass hole of my butt into my penis. At first I was struggling to get it to fit then it did. I moved the butt up and down with my hands like a masturbation object. I felt really aroused and felt the stimulation from the movements and I could feel after pushing it up and down three times that I was suddenly from nowhere going to cum, which I did in he dream in the butt hole. At the time I was slightly disappointed because I came so quickly and wanted it to last longer, yet I believed my Abs streak was broken and I wouldn't break my 112 day record. I also thought to myself in the dream ' at least I didn't give in to masturbation from hand it felt like a nice sensation.'

In real life I woke up shortly after. At first I was like, WOW, it was a dream, that felt as if it really happened. I didn't think it was a wet dream at first because my pajama bottoms were dry at the front, but to the side the evidence was very clear that I had a big wet dream, probably ejaculating in real life when I ejaculated in the dream. I took pics on my ipod. I could share on here if it's allowed or is that for the members only section?

I also have a time app on my ipod and made a note on 2 October 2011 that this day was my last wet dream. The app shows that it was 1119 days ago, so I can clear that down to zero

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hahahaha, you might be right as I had a wet dream this morning and the night before attempted a hands free orgasm, but didn't end up ejaculating. That's such a coincidence that you write that the evening before my first WD of my streak.Have a read of the full description above if you want to

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Congratulations on your WD!

It would seem likely that the porn and arousal may have contributed to it. But another key to getting the WD is probably that going without MB for 51 days enabled you to want an orgasm without being tempted to MB.

The bad part of so much arousal is that you might have achieved the HFO and then NOT had the WD. in all probability, HFOs decrease the chances for WDs.

Your experience is somewhat related to what the most successful wet dreamer at this site, shadow-15, recommended to get WDs. He went from being an MBer with no WDs to eventually averaging 4-5 WDs per week. His WDs were about having sex with his girlfriend, even though they were not having sex in real life. The technique he evolved was simply to imagine having sex before going to sleep at night. But by the time he had worked out that technique he had already been having some WDs and had developed a rather negative attitude about MB. In fact he said that he didn't even like to think about MB and was never going to do it again. He also started sleeping nude, which may have helped.

In his recommendations to the readers, he said that when imagining having sex you would be tempted to MB but you should resist. But when I asked him if HE was tempted to MB at that point, he said no. He was able to imagine how good it would feel to be having sex while not being the least bit tempted to MB, which is probably only possible with extended AB. And of course having WDs that he said felt much better than MB helped reinforce that.

He said that his WDs kept getting better and more intense over time, and also insisted that the semen volume was increasing and greater than from MB.

So the things in common with your success and his approach seem to be: AB + fantasy + wanting an orgasm + seeing MB as inadequate, negative, and not an option = WDs. This 'equation' actually makes sense.

So given what you've said in previous posts about wanting WDs as your regular outlet, I'd recommend being careful not to MB from all this excitement, and to keep or even increase your 'boredom' and negative feelings about MB while looking forward to more WDs. But also be careful about overstimulating yourself to an HFO. A big part of a WD is the happiness and excitement after, which is the opposite of after MB. Post-HFO is more like post-MB than it is like post-WD.

Maybe you could try mixing shadow-15's 'fantasizing' approach with your efforts to get lucid WDs. Your WD may have put you well down the path of completely replacing MB with having sex in WDs as your outlet.

Good luck on continuing your journey!

First of all thank you for the detailed responses so far! It's been a real help to have your feedback and advice.


That is very true, but I'm stunned that my first ever wet dream at 18 took 88 days. But now at 22, it took me 51 days. Maybe my brain still has a memory of how to get wet dreams unlike when I was 18, or maybe the porn and fantasizing was the biggest influence. I don't know, it was probably influenced by both factors.



I have never been able to achieve an SE or HFO. I guess that is due to masturbating a lot over the years so my body has never learnt how to. I think that with a longer streak, I could spill my load from becoming too aroused which was/is a concern for me. But in this situation, it seems to me like the arousal led to more cum being produced and ready to be released, so my body did release it through a wet dream. Maybe deliberately becoming more aroused can lead to that happening, and maybe shadow-15 experienced that. Maybe the function of precum for preparing the penis for sex, also applies to wet dreams?

Of course, the danger of doing this as my streak continues could lead to a hands free orgasm which is not what I want now. I think what I will do is allow myself to become aroused from porn but if/when I feel I am about to cum, I will just stop immediately and get up. I suppose the danger of that is that ejaculations can be spontaneous. I will try and become as aroused as i can without trying to actually doing the hypnosis or methods that lead to having an ejaculation.

I think another main factor, as you have posted many times, relates to not touching myself or wanting to touch myself. No stimulation yet so much arousal must have somehow led to a wet dream.

I'm looking forward to what comes my way in the near future

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This topic revives some of my old thoughts and brings on some new ones.

It does indeed appear that arousal, even without strong erections, leads to more semen volume and thus to an increased likelihood of a WD. I think guys like shadow-15 who have several WDs per week and sometimes two in one night are in a 'mode' where the excitement of having just had a WD leads to more semen buildup, which then soon leads to the next WD. Shadow-15 loved every WD and was always excited about the next one.

Certainly the thrill and excitement of having just had a WD must lead to a faster replenishment of semen than does the letdown and disappointment after MB. It seems like that mental state is best maintained by eliminating all thought of MB and edging while imaging how good the next WD will be.

I think a potential problem with porn is that it can be too arousing and lead to an involuntary HFO. WDs are also like more realistic 'first person porn', where you get to personally feel and experience everything first hand. That may be why full time WDers aren't big on watching porn. It's more fun doing it in a WD than watching someone else do it on a screen. Quite possibly fantasizing about having sex before going to sleep (while having no desire to MB) might be a better way of inducing WDs than is watching porn.

It certainly seems like WDs and MB are completely different processes. MB always includes a letdown and loss of interest afterwards. But while a WD can be even more intense and longer lasting and result in even more semen being ejaculated, it will often increase excitement and arousal afterwards. So if a guy wants to keep up the excitement and pleasure after even more intense orgasms, and likes the idea of being immediately eager to do it again without any letdown period, he needs to have his orgasms in WDs, not by MB.

It seems to me that the excitement of having WDs and the likelihood of getting them more frequently can be enhanced at some point by deciding to quit MB completely and never go back to it, so that the only possible outlets are either sex or WDs. That would be an easy decision to make for someone getting several WDs per week. But maybe the decision comes first, then the frequent WDs. I think shadow-15's decision to quit MB for good came before he got such a high WD rate, but he didn't make a big issue of it or discuss it much. But it became clear later than MB just no longer existed for him, and that he didn't like even thinking about MB.