2013 journey

[BePositive]

log post #1

Hi everyone I've been doing a bit of reading on lucid dreaming. I have copied this quote from a book called "exploring the world of lucid dreaming" by author called Stephen Laberge. See the highlighted section at the bottom of the quote for the references to wet dreams, and i've included the rest for interest and having an understanding of the context.
"One of the most dramatic demonstrations of the cor-respondence between physiology and
dream activity came from studies of lucid dream sex. In 1983 we undertook a pilot study to
determine the extent to which subjectively experienced sexual activity during REM lucid
dreaming would be reflected in physiological responses.
Since women report more orgasms in dreams than men do, we began with a female subject. We
recorded many different aspects of her physiology that would normally be affected by sexual
arousal, including respiration, heart rate, vaginal muscle tone, and vaginal pulse amplitude. The
experiment called for her to make specific eye move-ment signals at the following points: when
she realized she was dreaming, when she began sexual activity (in the dream), and when she
experienced orgasm.
She reported a lucid dream in which she carried out the experimental task exactly as agreed
upon. Our analysis revealed significant correspondences between the dream activities she
reported and all but one of the phys-iological measures. During the fifteen-second section of her
physiological record which she signaled as the mo-ment of orgasm, her vaginal muscle activity,
vaginal pulse amplitude, and respiration rate reached their high-est values of the night, and they
also were considerably elevated in comparison to the rest of the REM period. Contrary to
expectation, heart rate increased only slightly.
Since then, we have carried out similar experiments with two male lucid dreamers. In both
cases, respiration howed striking increases in rate. Again, there were no significant elevations
of the heart rate. Interestingly, al-though both oneironauts reported vividly realistic or-gasms in
their lucid dreams, neither actually ejaculated, in contrast to the “wet dreams” commonly
experienced by adolescent males, which frequently are not associated with erotic dreams."


I doubt that Stephen Laberge has taken abstinence into account here. He assumes that lucid dreaming won't cause a wet dream, but how does he know that when the two males were most probably sexually active, i.e masturbating or having sex regularly. Who knows, maybe becoming a lucid dreamer whilst being abstinent for a long time could allow somebody to manipulate their dreams and turn them into wet dreams.
One thing is for sure. Lucidly creating and enhancing sexual dreams is very possible and the research and evidence is shown here. If a guy can become experienced with lucid dreaming and attempts to enjoy several sex dreams, even if they don't become wet ones, would be in my opinion more satisfying and fulfilling than just masturbating .
So I have made a decision that after my exams, I will commit to a long term period of abstinence and I will try to master lucid dreaming, for the general experience,for lucid sex dreams and exploring lucid wet dreaming possibilities. I can see this being a very fun, new and fresh approach to getting more wet dreams, and I hopefully as a result I will forget about masturbation because I'll be getting a lot of fun sex dreams anyway! This should help me abstain for longer, because I will have a substitute and won't feel as if I'm missing out (that is of course if it isn't to hard to 'make it').
I have also noticed that abstaining increases dream recall and dream vividness.


WOuld anyone else like to try this with me, and have an opportunity to have a fun substitute for masturbation, if anyone is struggling with abstaining?

above is from what I wrote earlier, just posted here for a self reference. I'm looking forward to abstaining whilst becoming a lucid dreamer, so that I can have a lot of lucid sex dream, and possibly later on lucid wet dreams, as my replacement for the masturbation habit. I would recommend anyone else to try and try and do this too, and perhaps if I had a partner doing this as well, we could share experiences, results, tips etc.
anyway I would like to go from Friday 3rd May after my exams are over, which is four weeks away from today. I am hoping to make it one day at a time, with a long term looming in the distance. Looking forward to it. nothing to report till 4 weeks, best of luck everyone and let me know if you would like to become a lucid dreamer to have lucid sex dreams or even a lucid wet dream!

[BePositive]

day 7

despite masturbating about three times a day for a year ( I started to masturbate more and more) I can safely say that I feel very much at ease after seven days of abstinence. Hardly any movement down below. I'm not waking up with any morning wood which is surprising and slightly worrying. But at the same time I'm not exercising or eating right so that must be why.
In general, since I developed past the early and mid points of puberty, I only seem to get aroused if I want to be, unless I see something really . For example, if I want to 'turn on' for a mb session, then usually I can and it feels great. But I woulnd't say I'm massively horny or driven to mb for the majority of the day, like in my teens. Same applies for now, although of course I want to make it this year in 2013 and go far.

I am trying out reality checks for lucid dreaming. I'm just building up the foundations at these stages, its not going to happen over night and the highs aren't either, but it feels exciting that i'm building up towards it in the next few months.

in terms of taking it a day at a time- working very well. I feel no real pressure is put on myself as a result. THanks, Eleazar for the advice!

Will update if anything to report, if not then I won't bother. This log is more for myself than others, I don't reckon there'll be much to report I'm not exactly going to be a very regular wet dreamer, and I'm not expecting any at least until July.

[BePositive]

day 12

really enjoying it so far. I don't want to masturbate, but I want sexual encounters with another girl. Masturbation is so repetitive and dull when I think about it. The amount of pressure needed to get off is intense, when I am regularly masturbating i.e. usually three times a day. I'm certain that this can't be a good thing (although at times the orgasm can feel good, but repetitive) because it feels like I'd need very heavy stimulation to get off, and that humping and actual sex wouldn't get me off, because the sensitiivity is decreased a lot after heavy usage.
Abstaining for even just just twelve days, has made me feel slightly different. I get easily bored just sitting down with nothing to do, and have found myself going off for walks and going places to use up the extra bits of energy. I'm sure that the benefits of abstaining exist, even at this stage for me.
I am precumming after getting sexually excited, and producing prostate fluid when I go to the toilet, so I must be on the right tracks.

[BePositive]

abstinence of porn for ten days starting now. I've been looking at it and enjoying it, without touching myself, but in the past it has led to failure. So I must go for ten days without it at minimum, and do something positive when I'm bored, instead of watching porn.

[BePositive]

Looking at porn is making me hornier, and with some other personal difficulties in my life, I have decided that I must stop looking at porn. I can control the horniness, but like today when i have gotten frustrated at stuff, there is this voice in my head convincing me to just masturbate to make myself feel better. looking at the porn is the constant reminder of sex and i need to eradicate this at this early stages of abstinence, otherwise it will be over too soon. So I have decided to go one week without any porn whatsoever.
Youtube is a bit of a problem because of the easy availability, but again must just resist. this is not interesting i know but helps me from my perspective to get my thoughts and feelings down.
days without porn and wthout masturbation is in banner in signature.
Seriously to anyone in the earlier days, just avoid porn like the plague. It is exciting to look at but all it doesn't give you any benefits at all, and i for one will feel much more at ease being porn free for a minimum of 7 days

[BePositive]

7 days without porn and I'm also going to try and make this easier on myself by deliberately not looking at hot girls or fantasizing about sexual scenarios.

[BePositive]

wellthe enefits that I'd hope to gain from not looking at porn have been rewarding. Everything i stated above, regarding the reasons why I should stop, has applied so far.

I also feel like I'm feeling the full effects of the abstinence whilst being porn free and successfully reducing arousal at the same time. it's like I'm at ease by not being too aroused and not having an outlet. And instead, I am concentrating on other areas of my life and enjoying other areas of my life as a result. This might not make sense but to me it does, and yes I know this is dull but this entry is also for myself to get my feelings down and to look back over it and review this process. I have made half a week without porn and hope to complete the week, and then try for another week.

[BePositive]

I was just thinking about how long it may take to get a wet dream, from a view of how much i have been masturbating in the past.

It took me 88 days to get my first wet dream after six years of regular masturbating, and I'd say it was common back then to do it two times a day for those six years prior to this abstinence. I gave into this turn of abstinence after 112 days and masturbated again for several months, when I decided to abstain again, and it took me 60 days to have a wet dream. I gave in a few weeks later again, and it then took 36 days on a new abstinence and gave in on day 78.

So it seems as if their is a trend i.e. the more you abstain, even with regular masturbation inbetween turns of abstinence, the quicker the wet dreams will come.

SO my more recent history in the past year and a half is that I have been masturbating fairly regularly on a consistent basis. Especially this year, i have had many days and nights when i have masturbated at least three times. I'm just trying to estimate how much 'damage' this may have done to my wet dream progress... I'd say quite a bit, and that it will take a long time to get one, but I'm sure my bodies memory of having my four wet dreams when i was abstaining from 2010-2011 is still there. So, as a rough estimate, I'm going to guess that it won't take as long as 88 days (whilst it had been 6 years of constant mb), but may possibly take 60 days at minimum to maybe around 80 days. That is my guess and estimate, and of course the memory of how to perform a wet dream may still be present( my body doesn't have to learn how to have one for the first time like when I had my first), although I'm fairly sure my recent masturbation habits have damaged my progress in getting wet dreams for this turn of abstinence.


so first wet dream prediction for this abstinence is 2nd July to 1st 2nd August. Hope I'm right, or hopefully wrong, and that it would be quicker!

[masanopat]

I love the use of analysis, case studies, and mundane statistics to predict your next WD. This is a good example of the scientific attitude. Good Luck with your AB journey and may you succeed in all your intentions

[gone2bed2day]

88 days until your first wet dream.... (?) Hymn. I'm at 4 weeks now, and I don't think I'd want to go another 8 weeks. I appreciate you sharing your experience and logic especially once you started abing again. I just don't know if I could go that long. I know you have a few different reasons for abing, but was the WD worth it?

[LuvsCurvy]

In a way i find it reassuring to know some take that long to get WDs, even at a young age. I am on day 44 with no sign of anything resembling one. My aim is to go 90 days initially, and the good thing was that most the AB periods you mentioned are within 90 days. So maybe there is hope for me after all?

[masanopat]

Guys, just keep on ABing and finally you will reach your goal. The road towards getting a WD might be long, but eventually you will get there. Aside from having a WD, i think AB has a lot of fringe benefit, too. Therefore, in my humble opinion, it's worth it!

[BePositive]

Guys, just keep on ABing and finally you will reach your goal. The road towards getting a WD might be long, but eventually you will get there. Aside from having a WD, i think AB has a lot of fringe benefit, too. Therefore, in my humble opinion, it's worth it!

I am enjoying abstaining at the moment. But it is very important, at least for me, to limit arousal as much as possible, and completly stop looking at porn. Otherwise it is very difficult to abstain for the following reasons;

- the arousal gets under your skin, and makes you want to give in to get a sexual high. But afterward mbing you can feel lame and you can feel pathetic for giving in so easily, and want to be back to where you were abstaining
- not being aroused and looking at porn can make you forget about sex in general. At the moment I am experiecing 'flat lining' where I have little or no arosual, because I don't invite it. As a result, i feel like sex is almost forgotten and I can concentrate on meaningful parts of my life
- However confidence around girls increases and I see attractice girls as human beings, not sex symbols. Also more girls that you didn't find that attractive before, now seem to have natural beauty
Five-six days ago I was considering giving in because of porn. I'm so relieved that I didn't now. The benefits of no PMO are there, and I want to continue abstaining for the meantime.


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I'm also practicing lucid dreaming at the moment and working towards beinga luccid dreamer. Last night I gained lucidity for about five seconds, before jumping upwards and losing it. But I'm definitely working towards it and doing well. HAving the testosterone iny our body helps with lucid dreaming as well, so it's a win-win situation here.

Trying to lucid dreaming is keeping my mind off abstaining and falling back onto masturbation. As predicted, this approach is working well.


I now feel POSITIVE and I'm enjoying myself at the moment!

[BePositive]

88 days until your first wet dream.... (?) Hymn. I'm at 4 weeks now, and I don't think I'd want to go another 8 weeks. I appreciate you sharing your experience and logic especially once you started abing again. I just don't know if I could go that long. I know you have a few different reasons for abing, but was the WD worth it?

Firstly, for the benefits of abstaining, have a look at some of the no fap posts and youtube videos. Have a look at Tobias Davies on youtube and his 250 days without masturbation. And search for his no fap interview with no brain and porn. Plus have a look at my last post to see how the benefits are working out for me, and how I am approaching abstianing. I'm making it a lot easier for myself and enjoying the experience, as opposed to feeling like abstianing is a chore.

So, was it worth it? Well I'd say based on that wet dream alone, probably not. The dream was fairly vague and I wasn't having the sexual experience witha girl- I was watching a lesbian porn movie! My other wet dreams invovled auto fellatio which felt intense and better than a regular masturbation session, but again nothing spectacular because I wasn't doing anything with a girl in the dream. My other wet dream may have been a lucid one. IN this dream I fell donw on the floor and noticed that the door was at a right angle, and that it simply couldn't be real. So I decided to hump the floor to force a wet dream, and it turned into one! Overall, that felt pretty good and better than the average mb session. Ask members like Zach if it is worth it. also look at www.wetdreamforum.com/wd to see for yourself!

[Texanguy]

I think there is a lot that be learned from the no fap topics at other sites. Research they find and link to is showing that MB has long lasting neurochemical, hormonal, and psychological effects. These effects are supported by the personal observations of the positive results by most people who take the no fap journey. It also turns out that here are many cultures that see MB as harmful, and it is even an alien concept for some.

Saying that no fap has benefits is in a way expressing a point of view. A more appropriate viewpoint may be that fapping is unnatural and has negative effects, and that the natural and proper state for the human body is not to have the MB habit. This is especially true for MBing to porn, but is also true of MB in general.

I think some observations can be made about no fap and the no fap community, besides the increase increase in confidence, energy, and other positive effects that they notice. No fap tends to have these effects:
-An increase in precum production.
-A separation of horniness from erection.
-A slight increase in flaccid length.
-More motivation to work out and watch their diet more, which leads to better physical and mental health.
-Contrary to what some might expect, even as no fappers look forward to having sex instead of fapping, no fap seems to motivate people to turn down random sexual encounters and 'save it' for the right relationship. Casual sex and unwanted pregnancies seems to be more common among fappers, while at the same time, if and when no fappers have sex it will be much more intense and enjoyable.

While some argue that WDF is overly obsessed with WDs, posters on no fap topics seem to have mixed feelings about WDs. Some guys see them as being as bad as fapping, while others see them as a side effect of no fap that is to be ignored. Some seem to feel guilty about enjoying them, while others do in fact enjoy having them and see them as a benefit of no fap.

The fact is that the aftereffects of WDs seem to be completely different from those of fapping. WDs have little, and for many guys none, of the negative effects of MB, and may actually increase the waking benefits of no fap. WDs are better seen as the natural substitute and 'rehearsal' for sex, not fapping, and a sign of moving forward to full no fap, not moving back to fapping. Ideally, they can help a guy reach the point where fapping is seen as a total turn off and no longer exists as an option.

[BePositive]

I think there is a lot that be learned from the no fap topics at other sites. Research they find and link to is showing that MB has long lasting neurochemical, hormonal, and psychological effects. These effects are supported by the personal observations of the positive results by most people who take the no fap journey. It also turns out that here are many cultures that see MB as harmful, and it is even an alien concept for some.

Saying that no fap has benefits is in a way expressing a point of view. A more appropriate viewpoint may be that fapping is unnatural and has negative effects, and that the natural and proper state for the human body is not to have the MB habit. This is especially true for MBing to porn, but is also true of MB in general.

I think some observations can be made about no fap and the no fap community, besides the increase increase in confidence, energy, and other positive effects that they notice. No fap tends to have these effects:
-An increase in precum production.
-A separation of horniness from erection.
-A slight increase in flaccid length.
-More motivation to work out and watch their diet more, which leads to better physical and mental health.
-Contrary to what some might expect, even as no fappers look forward to having sex instead of fapping, no fap seems to motivate people to turn down random sexual encounters and 'save it' for the right relationship. Casual sex and unwanted pregnancies seems to be more common among fappers, while at the same time, if and when no fappers have sex it will be much more intense and enjoyable.

While some argue that WDF is overly obsessed with WDs, posters on no fap topics seem to have mixed feelings about WDs. Some guys see them as being as bad as fapping, while others see them as a side effect of no fap that is to be ignored. Some seem to feel guilty about enjoying them, while others do in fact enjoy having them and see them as a benefit of no fap.

The fact is that the aftereffects of WDs seem to be completely different from those of fapping. WDs have little, and for many guys none, of the negative effects of MB, and may actually increase the waking benefits of no fap. WDs are better seen as the natural substitute and 'rehearsal' for sex, not fapping, and a sign of moving forward to full no fap, not moving back to fapping. Ideally, they can help a guy reach the point where fapping is seen as a total turn off and no longer exists as an option.

Texanguy, thanks for your input. I have felt some of these benefits before in previous turns of abstinence, however on their own, they weren't enough to make me want to continue. As I thought before I started this turn of abstinence, at the moment there are other factors that (at 25 days) make me want to keep on going and not stop! I am practicing lucid dreaming and making some progress, and with high amounts of testosterone, it helps a lot.The other reasons for continuing are in a post from yesterday.


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So, day 24 and really enjoying it for the reaons I gave in my recent previous posts and above.

I've been practicing lucid dreaming and there is a method called 'Wake Back To Bed' (WBTB) I attempted it this morning by the use of an alarm clock, at around 4.5 hours after I went to bed. It woke me up briefly, but it felt so early that I just dismissed getting up, turned the alarm off and went back to sleep almost immediately. I had a dream in that time where I was in some sort of field, and I saw two girls that I recognised. I ran towards them and without even thinking about it, took off my jeans and one of the girl's jeans too, and did my business.... lol .... for about 4 seconds. I then had a dream transition to my bed, still asleep, and saw my penis errect. I simply touched the top of the penis and in the dream ejaculated loads. I felt as if I had broken my abstinence, and was unsure if it was the touch of the tip of the penis that caused the ejaculation, or if it was a wet dream. I then woke up in real life and realised that it was simply a dream, and my penis was dry as a bone.It was still awesome though to have my first proper sex dream since I started abstaining.

I was wondering whether limiting my arousal in waking life, actually makes arousal and sexual stuff filter into the mind's subconscious sleep. Exploring things like this and the nature of wet dreams is more fascinating than the repetitive masturbation habit.
Anyway, feeling positive and have no intentions on giving in any time soon

[masanopat]

That's so amazing! Lucid dreaming.. hmm... i think i have an experience similar to what you call Wake Back To Bed Lucid Dreaming. When I sleep in the afternoon, there are usually times when I wake up probably 1.5 hours after sleeping. During this time, it seems like I am between waking up and sleeping. Something like my body tells me to go back to sleep. It's difficult to describe the feeling in words. It is something like, I am dreaming and the dream is so real and then I wake up a little, but my body said go back to sleep, and then when I sleep again, I go back to same dream, but then this time I feel like I have a little bit of control in that dream.. I hope I am making sense.. hahahaha

[Texanguy]

It sounds like you are making serious progress. I'm sure that we are all interested in seeing success from your lucid dreaming techniques, and would be interested in getting tips from you once you are successful.

I think it's difficult to get WDs by simply denying yourself the 'pleasure' of MB. I think a person has to be ready to move beyond fapping, which at least for some may be part of a natural maturation process. Part of it is getting bored with repetitive fapping and finding it unfulfilling. Another part is enjoying the effects of no fap, for which these days a lot of support can be found. Then there is an interest and readiness to be having sex in wet dreams. All three of these vary from person to person, along with the ease with which they can actually get WDs. Lucid dreaming techniques may help achieve the WDs.

I think the goal is to become like a person who has never fapped. WDs become their natural and enjoyable outlet as they mature, while at the same time fapping is irrelevant and holds no real interest.

Good luck in continuing your journey!

[BePositive]

It sounds like you are making serious progress. I'm sure that we are all interested in seeing success from your lucid dreaming techniques, and would be interested in getting tips from you once you are successful.

I will try and keep the motivation going for the lucid dreaming. I really do find the whole thing fascinating and I'd like to build up to becoming a regular lucid dreamer, and to induce lucid sex dreams and lucid wet dreams in the future. I will update anything on this if I am able to have these. And I will share the techniques I have used, should I become successful.

I think it's difficult to get WDs by simply denying yourself the 'pleasure' of MB. I think a person has to be ready to move beyond fapping, which at least for some may be part of a natural maturation process. Part of it is getting bored with repetitive fapping and finding it unfulfilling. Another part is enjoying the effects of no fap, for which these days a lot of support can be found. Then there is an interest and readiness to be having sex in wet dreams. All three of these vary from person to person, along with the ease with which they can actually get WDs. Lucid dreaming techniques may help achieve the WDs.

I understand where you are coming from here and you seem to have a lot of knowledge on wet dreams psychology. I was wondering, if you have any idea, does being abstinent and limiting arousal as much as possible increase a guy's chance of haivng a wet dream, perhaps because sexual thoughts and desires are channeled into your subconscious mind in sleep? Or is it usually the other way round, were being very aroused and abstinent increases a guy's chance of a wet dream.

[masanopat]

Good Luck!

[BePositive]

That's so amazing! Lucid dreaming.. hmm... i think i have an experience similar to what you call Wake Back To Bed Lucid Dreaming. When I sleep in the afternoon, there are usually times when I wake up probably 1.5 hours after sleeping. During this time, it seems like I am between waking up and sleeping. Something like my body tells me to go back to sleep. It's difficult to describe the feeling in words. It is something like, I am dreaming and the dream is so real and then I wake up a little, but my body said go back to sleep, and then when I sleep again, I go back to same dream, but then this time I feel like I have a little bit of control in that dream.. I hope I am making sense.. hahahaha

I sort of understand where you're coming from. From my short experience of it, WBTB is a method where you wake up by an alarm clock, and go back to sleep, so that you can increase your dream recall in REM sleep. Also after being woken up, you can realise the comparisons of waking reality and the dream world more easily when you return to REM sleep, which helps to enable 'breaking through' into controlling the dream.

Good Luck!

Thanks!

[Texanguy]

This site lost a lot of posts a few years ago. One of the most successful MBers turned full time WDer was shadow-15. Do an advanced search on 'shadow' (it doesn't like the 15) and then look for shadow-15 in the results. I and others referred to his success and advice multiple times in multiple posts.

To summarize here, most successful WDers can fantasize about having sex while at the same time don't want to MB and even have negative feelings about MB. They seem to avoid porn and definitely avoid any edging. I think they get close to the mindset of someone who has never MD'd in his life but has and enjoys his WDs.

I think the guys most likely to have a great WD tonight have these characteristics:
-They feel horny and fantasize about having some kind of sex, often before going to sleep.
-They don't edge or physically stimulate themselves.
-They don't have the MB habit. They don't resist MB as much as it doesn't exist for them. MB is irrelevant and even repulsive to them.
-The are already having WDs as their outlet.

I think this mindset is difficult to achieve when first abstaining. For one thing, fantasizing about anything sexual can make them want to MB or at least edge. But when you think about it, it makes sense that guys who disconnect their sexuality from MB are the ones most likely to get WDs.

Some things that seem to help get WDs are eating healthy, getting exercise, and getting plenty of sleep. Lifting weights on the heavy side is known to increase testosterone. Sleeping nude might help.

I think the relatively recent trend and research on 'no fap' can help make MB seem unnatural and a negative. Seeing MB as a negative and inferior may help make the transition to WDs.

We have seen enough examples from guys who have moved from MB to WDs to know that a good WD can never be matched by MB. A WD can give a longer lasting and more full body orgasm. It is quite common for guys to insist that they ejaculate more semen in WDs, which is unrelated to the time between them. It is even possible to get two WDs in one night.

Given the negative 'let down' and 'turn off' effects after MB, which don't seem to exist after even the most intense WDs with massive ejaculations, it seems that the brain/body knows the difference. Given that, it is not unreasonable to think that this 'letdown' effect actually occurs before the orgasm and ejaculation is complete. This would explain why WDs are more intense and expel more semen. In other words, it is virtually impossible for MB to give a full and complete orgasm.

Developing these kinds of thoughts and attitudes about MB may help a guy to successfully move to WDs as their outlet.

[masanopat]

This is such an informative post texan. I suddenly remember the first time I went to China to study. University life was so demanding and challenging that it left me no time to even think anything sexual or erotic. It was during those days when I have my second WD.

[BePositive]

This site lost a lot of posts a few years ago. One of the most successful MBers turned full time WDer was shadow-15. Do an advanced search on 'shadow' (it doesn't like the 15) and then look for shadow-15 in the results. I and others referred to his success and advice multiple times in multiple posts.

To summarize here, most successful WDers can fantasize about having sex while at the same time don't want to MB and even have negative feelings about MB. They seem to avoid porn and definitely avoid any edging. I think they get close to the mindset of someone who has never MD'd in his life but has and enjoys his WDs.

I think the guys most likely to have a great WD tonight have these characteristics:
-They feel horny and fantasize about having some kind of sex, often before going to sleep.
-They don't edge or physically stimulate themselves.
-They don't have the MB habit. They don't resist MB as much as it doesn't exist for them. MB is irrelevant and even repulsive to them.
-The are already having WDs as their outlet.

I think this mindset is difficult to achieve when first abstaining. For one thing, fantasizing about anything sexual can make them want to MB or at least edge. But when you think about it, it makes sense that guys who disconnect their sexuality from MB are the ones most likely to get WDs.

Some things that seem to help get WDs are eating healthy, getting exercise, and getting plenty of sleep. Lifting weights on the heavy side is known to increase testosterone. Sleeping nude might help.

I think the relatively recent trend and research on 'no fap' can help make MB seem unnatural and a negative. Seeing MB as a negative and inferior may help make the transition to WDs.

We have seen enough examples from guys who have moved from MB to WDs to know that a good WD can never be matched by MB. A WD can give a longer lasting and more full body orgasm. It is quite common for guys to insist that they ejaculate more semen in WDs, which is unrelated to the time between them. It is even possible to get two WDs in one night.

Given the negative 'let down' and 'turn off' effects after MB, which don't seem to exist after even the most intense WDs with massive ejaculations, it seems that the brain/body knows the difference. Given that, it is not unreasonable to think that this 'letdown' effect actually occurs before the orgasm and ejaculation is complete. This would explain why WDs are more intense and expel more semen. In other words, it is virtually impossible for MB to give a full and complete orgasm.

Developing these kinds of thoughts and attitudes about MB may help a guy to successfully move to WDs as their outlet.

I will take this post into consideration. At this moment in time, I think I will still continue to reduce arousal as much as possible. Last week I was looking at porn a lot during the day, and I ended up becoming frustrated that I wasn't experiencing any release or high from it. With personal difficulties and mild depression I genuinely feared that I'd give in very soon because I had this voice in my convincing me to give in to make myself feel better.

Nearly a week without porn and limiting arousal as much as possible, I feel much more at ease and don't have any desires to give in. I feel like sexual things are virtually forgotten, and I'm concentrating on aspects of my life that are so much more important. This feeling is welcomed and I have actually been feeling less depressed in general as a result! But of course, your suggestions will be taken into consideration in the future and anyone else reading this advice, go for it if you feel you can handle it!

[BePositive]

This is such an informative post texan. I suddenly remember the first time I went to China to study. University life was so demanding and challenging that it left me no time to even think anything sexual or erotic. It was during those days when I have my second WD.

I had my first sexual dream of this turn of abstinence the other night, whilst I had five days with very little arousal. So who knows, only one way to find out, that is of course for ourselves

[BePositive]

made it 7 days without watching any porn, and boy do I feel better for it.
My goal for abstinence from porn is to make another 7 days.

[masanopat]

Congratulations on your success BePositive. It only goes to show that, as your name implies, being positive helps us make it through difficult times. I am also abstaining from porn. Part of the reason is to accelerate the occurence of my WD, but majority of the reason lies in the fact that I want to keep myself clean religiously and spiritually. I wish you more successes to come your way!!!

[BePositive]

hi I sent this to masan's log.

Just re posting it here for self reference really, so that my thoughts and feelings are down. This is basically my opinions and thoughts on porn in detail, and can't be bothered at this moment to change the context

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hi saw some of your posts on my log for taking the time to comment!

I understand where you are coming from when you refer to porn and spirituality in one of your earlier posts. Even though porn can be enjoyable to watch physically, mentally it can be disturbing. For me, during the porn session, the mental disturbance seems to be there in the back of my head, but the physical (the arousal on its own AB or with masturbation) seems to overshadow it. However, after watching it ( AB or MB) I feel very guilty and slightly disgusted with myself. I think its because I am unsure if the woman was abused because of a drug addiction, or perhaps a victim of human trafficking. Even though most of them ( and accept many don't) get paid to do it, I still get the sense that the man is dominating the woman, to the extent where the woman can not possibly find the experience enjoyable and is perhaps in discomfort, no matter how good her acting is. I also feel like their experiences are dirty, and that sex should be between a man and woman who love eachother or at least have some sort of relationship and connection.

Not watching porn for these past 8 days has helped me feel more free from this 'dirty and guilty feeling, and although I'm not religous or really spiritual, I feel that my higher self feels cleansed after not watching porn. I don't feel this same guilt when I masturbate using my imagination

Hope that makes sense, and just wondering if you feel the same way?

[masanopat]

thanks man! hope to hear more stories from you regularly. I do feel that you are such an invaluable member of this forum and that your thoughts are always meaningful, encouraging, and informative. Keep up the good work!

[BePositive]

I attempted a no hands orgasm today... Looked up Isabella Valentine. BIG MISTAKE.

The 'hypnosis' didn't work, nor did I feel close to having an orgasm. After it, although I felt like I had total control to continue abs, I stroked it for about 2 seconds . I had loads of sensitivity and I firmly and quickly said to myself NO and put it away and cooked some food. Huge mistake and after having so much control for these past 29 days, I feel like I've let myself down a bit.

Oh well, still in the game. I must still continue, and realise and remind myself that experimenting in this way is only going to make things worse!

edit: Plus, I looked up reddit gone wild so that is the end of my porn abstinence. so back to day one on that. Just relieved that I'm still in it for abstaining from MB.