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i know this is going to sound unusual, but after reading the bible several times, i've decided that both masturbation and wet dreams are a sin. ( i'm catholic btw, and don't try changing my mind - i've already made vows).

i'm a catholic... more specifically, i was a catholic, then i became atheist, and i've recently become catholic again. (3 days ago).
i've already given up masturbation and pornography, and i'm not having much problem giving either of them up (i've always had a strong willpower). However, i'm worried that i'll still experience a wet dream, which iv'e decided to be against gods will.

Do any of you know any techniques that PREVENT wet dreams? right now, the only advice i could find was to wear tight underware that prevent erections... hopefully, these will help.
(again, don't try and tell me not to do it, i'm just asking for help )

alternatively, it would be ok if i could ejaculate without any dream associated, or without orgasm either. if anyone has had this kind of experience, please post!

for any catholics wondering why i've decided on this, it's because from what i've heard, wet dreams are usually centered around masturbation or sex... and because masturbation is inheretly sinful, and sex outside of marriage is aldulterous. Even if it's not physical, it is in our mind to commit the sin, and that is just as bad.

Techlos, welcome!

I don't think wearing tight clothing will prevent a WD, it will only restrict an erection. The fact is that everyone who has normal brain function and sleep patterns has dreams several times a night, during what is called REM (Rapid Eye Movement) sleep. People normally don't remember all these dreams, but many studies show that people will remember them if they are awakened during this REM sleep.

The point is that for males, REM sleep is inevitably accompanied by erections as a natural body function, even if the dreams have no sexual content whatsoever (and won't be remembered anyway). If you wear extremely tight clothing, you are interfering with this natural function and may cause yourself physical harm.

WD's can be about things that are not sexual. In fact sometimes guys get frustrated because they want them to be more sexual. So with a strong desire to avoid sexual thoughts, you may dream about 'harmless' subject matter during a WD, and/or not remember it in the morning.

But dreams are involuntary. Can it be a sin if you dream of robbing a bank, or of eating your friend's piece of pie behind his back? If you take a 'joyride' in a car in a dream, have you committed a sin? Does the Catholic church want you to confess sins that occur only in your dreams?

I think it's difficult to be held responsible for dreams in which you have no conscious control. That said, I think the best you can do, and the most that can be expected, is to avoid doing anything that would help precipitate 'sins' in your dreams -- whether they involve something sexual or just robbing a bank.

So welcome, and feel free to respond.

I'm also a Catholic, and I know it's NOT a sin to have a WD. It's not something you can control, it's normal and natural. Masturbation is a sin, as is lust. You can have no lust, never masturbate, and have a wet dream. I have wet dreams now and again, never MB, don't lust after anyone or thing, don't fornicate or adulterate.

well, everyone interperets the bible a little differently, i guess. Don't worry, i'm not saying you're wrong, i'm just going by what i believe it to say. If i can have a wd without any lustful thoughts involved, then i'm perfectly fine with it... but going from what i've heard, most WD's seem to have some fairly explicit dreams. <_<

When you have a dream do you choose what to dream? Most people don't, it just happens. If you have a wet dream, it could be when you dream of having sex, or it could just happen without you having a sexual dream. Also, if you dreamed of murdering someone, would this be sinful? I don't think so - there is a difference between having a dream (which is involuntary) and consciously choosing to think about something, for example imagining having sex with a girl you've seen at the mall - that is sinful. I get my guidance from Catholic teaching, not from directly interpreting the bible. If you are primarily interpreting the bible as the basis of your belief, then you are behaving more like a Protestant.

All of us have an unconscious mind which considers thing that we don't consciously choose to think about, such as killing a person - whether it would be good or bad, or raping someone and so on. Human beings are capable of these things, of course me and you are humans. If you were starving and the only source of food was to kill another human being, would you do it? Your unconscious mind considers scenarios like this, to better prepare your conscious mind for dealing with such situations. The key difference is that thinking with your unconscious mind is done at an automatic level, like your heartbeat. When you dream, your unconscious mind comes to the fore. Sinning only takes place if you choose to think lustful thoughts with your conscious mind.

I have been MB free for over 67 days now. I don't see WDs as sinful. For one GOd made us sexual beings, and our sexuallity is a vital part of being a man. Thank God that we have a sex drive. It is by no means evil, and the fact we get an erection doesn't make us sinful people. The desire for romance, love, and sex is not evil at all! It is part of a God given design for us to express our love to our future wives. Read Song of Solomon, my gosh look at the erotic detail in that book. Some would say it is a form of soft porn. But God blesses it all.

There is a relationship between our sexual vitality and physical vitality. According to the book Wild at Heart, John Eldredge states that if a man can get an erection then he feels strong, confident, and in-control. If a man can't get an erection, well he feels impotent, weak, and whether he has what it takes to be a man. So there is a correlation between psychological, and physiological health.

One of the fears of men late in life is impotence or ED. So our sexuality plays a big part into our ego.

So is our dreams for love and passion evil? NO!

Is it wrong to want to be loved? NO!

Is it wrong to want sex? NO!

You see, it is not the desires themselves that are evil. It is when we gratify God given desires in an ungodly way, where we make the mistake. So I do believe MB is gratifying yourself outside of God's original design. For one MB, becomes addictive and we can grow a bond to our hand, instead of our desire to seek out a woman for a future wife.

WDs are considered ceremonially unclean in the Bible, but so was women with periods, a woman after giving childbirth. So being ceremonially unclean didn't mean you were evil by any means. Just like it is normal for a female to have a cycle. I do believe men have a similar cycle of WDs as a result of flushing out dead semen.

Besides we are saved by GRACE thru FAITH not by perfect obedience! However I do believe that God wants us to be free and our sexuality surrendered to him. We can do this. Well gotta run. Take care

Daniel G.

That's a good point about being ceremonially unclean, it's nothing more than that. I had my first wet dream for a few weeks last night, I woke up right after it happened, in my dream I was getting a blow-job by a man. I'm not at all gay. Maybe having wet dreams on my mind, and posting to this forum, the day before, caused it to happen? As I said before, I can't control my dreams directly, although as I said perhaps being pre-occupied with something could influence your dreams? It felt so go to be 'released' of the stale semen, it makes not MB'ing worthwhile IMHO.

Your point about the woman's menstrual cycle and a man's 'emission' cycle being similar. I think so too, and I would love to get married to a virgin and deflower her on my wedding night, loosing my virginity too. I get hard just thinking about it! Before when I masturbated I felt drained, and it caused my depression to be worse; my energy was being wasted, no it's directed at finding a wife, and my natural bodily cycle is keeping my semen fresh, and my system working.

Congrats on your latest wet dream, Thursday! :party: I hope you can have many more nice wet dreams. Take care!

Something else that could have caused my latest WB was listening to a BrainSync MP3 called 'Healing,' this produces delta brainwaves, and as I listened I imagined energy flowing to and healing, and purifying my reproductive system, and put my hands above this area as I fell asleep. I wanted to be cleaned out, and that's what happened!

So Thursday. I assume you are a virgin and haven't ever experienced the pleasure of sex. Well I did at age 18-21 and trying to quit was hard. But I have abstained from sex for nearly 4 years now. MB took much longer.

Funny you mentioned a dream about getting a blow job from a man. I had a dream very similar to that, except this man was wanting to give me a blow job, but in the dream I felt awkward about it, and wouldn't let him. However in the dream I was really hard, and so I some how got away from him and started MBing in the dream. I don't remember having an orgasm. But I awoke bone dry as well.

I am not gay, though I sometimes have homoerotic urges. I used to be concerned about that. But just like I might have a fleeting thought to hurt someone, doesn't mean I act up on that thought. Our sinful nature is always wanting to do what is contrary to God's will. However God's spirit is also at work in us, causing turmoil inside us. The war is a lifelong war, that we are engaged in. Remember we can only be victorious over sin, by abiding in Christ. He is the one who is perfect. He is our Righteousness. He is our Strong Tower. He is our Deliverer! A person who has no conviction or concern over their thoughts that are sinful in nature, isn't being led by the Spirit.

S

S - the images and situations in our dreams can be symbolic, this is a whole area of study. For example, having a sexual encounter, a blow job, by a man, for a male dreamer could indicate we are coming to terms with x or y, or we are having trouble with z .. I'm not a dream analyst expert, so I don't know exactly what getting a b/j by a man in a dream means, but it doesn't mean that I'm literally gay, because I'm not attracted to men - period. Just as murdering someone in a dream doesn't mean that you'd like to do so in real life.. I agree with you that life's a battle against sin (that's not all it is, but a part of our lives) I have always been a strong willed person, I can say no to drugs/drink/smoking/women very easily, but there is the part of me that says "try it, it will be fun." I know that it would be fun, in the SHORT TERM, but not lasting pleasure - that's what I'm looking for. You have homoerotic urges sometimes, everyone (past puberty,) even the Pope, is a human being who has sex-hormones - which drives us to want a fuck, to be blunt about it. On that level I'd like to MB right now. The key to being as strong as I am (I don't want to imply I'm better than anyone else - I'm not) is knowing what is best for me, what will make me happy. I don't think a lot of people really clearly believe and see how a celibate lifestyle until marriage is more beneficial for them.

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Well until one tries abstinence will they truly grasp the pleasurable benefits that come from it all. We are all sexual being, and you are right we have sex hormones, that make us on an instinctual level want to have sex. But self-control is a fruit of the Spirit. I want God's best and since I have abstained. I feel so much more intune with my body..

"The difference between the scenarios is that the infertile wife cannot have children because of a condition. The wife is not taking action to prevent the non-conception of a child. In the other scenario (non-orgasmic sex), the couple is taking action to thwart the creation of a child, the conception of which is the natural (meaning "good" and God-ordained) result of the marital act when everything goes according to plan. The Catholic faith's teaching on sex is that there are two goods (ends) that cannot be separated...the bonding (or unitive) end and the procreative end, which is the creation of children. To emphasize, they cannot be wilfully separated without making engagement in the marital act sinful. Not every marital act must produce a child. Rather, every marital act must be open to conceiving a child. Now, God also does not demand the impossible. Therefore, if the married couple is biologically unable to have children, then of course sex is not sinful. But they are unable to have children because of the state of affairs, not because they have done, or are doing anything, to prevent the conception of a child."


I had that clarified for me today, so now I'm officially an ex-Cathoic - that was the final straw for me. I have identified myself as a Catholic because I was raised as one, but have always been a free-thinker. I don't see how having non-orgasmic sex can be sinful.

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It seems to me that a lot of the reasons you had for abstaining were based more on research on hormonal effects and eastern philosophies anyway, and how the two support each other.

I think it ultimately comes down to preference. It can be argued that you can't really fully express and enjoy your sexuality when addicted to MB and experiencing its various side effects. It it is arguably more mature and healthier to choose to express and enjoy your sexuality naturally by not having it tied to MB with all it's consequences, and by allowing better orgasms to occur naturally in WD's.

Ahhh I think wet dreams could possibly be alot more psychological then alot of people think e.g. if you really want one and think about it regularly your probaly more likely to have one then somebody that doesn't. Also if you really focus on having non sexual wet dreams I think it could be possible to have one that wasn't about sex. Or you could really try and persuade yourself that wet dreams are disgusting, gross, wrong or whatever works for you. I don't know maybe thats right but hey what would I know.

Also perhaps testosterone just helps you have wet dreams because your alot more likely to think about the opposite sex when your awake and supposedly dreams are there to try and make sense and analyse what happened in the day.

alternatively, it would be ok if i could ejaculate without any dream associated, or without orgasm either. if anyone has had this kind of experience, please post!

Well, as a matter of fact, prostate milking is designed to do just that. An aneros works well. If you don't want to lube up and insert anything, the prostate cradle is good. Just keep your thoughts away from anything sexual and either device can milk your prostate gland without you having an erection or experiencing an orgasm. The fluid will dribble out in a fairly long process.

Phil

I am Catholic and the Churches official stand is that wetdreams are a natural function created by God and therefore are not sinful

again if it is a natural process which God intended then it cant be sinful and this is the position of the Church






No St. Thomas holds contrary you see in our dreams we are not always in control of what is occuring, our culpability is nihil. If you are going to be catholic as you say then you need to follow the churchs teaching and her position.