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PostPosted: Wed Dec 25, 2013 4:21 am 
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Hi,

I used to be a regular here and then I dropped off the face of the earth for a while. I abstained from masturbation for 80 days, however during that time I still looked at porn and edged...really a miracle I made it through. Now, I am quitting cold turkey. No mb and no porn. I'm about 2 weeks in and I sometimes feel this stirring in my loins, like randomly throughout the day. It's just like the beginning of sexual stimulation down there, and it feels REALLY good, like orgasmic. I just wondered if anyone else has experienced anything like this. I'm sure I'm not the first one. I'd like to hear others' stories.

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PostPosted: Wed Dec 25, 2013 4:33 am 
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Welcome back Xanthier,

Well in short, yes, I have exactly the same feeling. Read my log Joining the Quest.

It's like a warm arousing feeling that comes from my prostate and radiates down to my balls. Not really a cock thing actually. My take is it's your body trying to engage you and trying to get you to take care of business to get a release.

I had one so strong in my first AB session that I released a small amount of cum without any touching at all.

It's such a nice feeling. The more the better, let he good times role :banana-dance:

Just one of the many benefits of AB.


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PostPosted: Wed Dec 25, 2013 4:37 am 
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I'm experiencing the same thing too. Glad to hear about your experience!


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PostPosted: Wed Dec 25, 2013 4:41 am 
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Although everyone is different, I think what you are describing is pretty common when avoiding all physical stimulation. You can get kind of a 'full body arousal' at times, and don't even need much of an erection to feel it.

I think frequent MB ties erection and arousal closer together than is natural. The first symptom of arousal for an MBer is likely to be an erection, while for someone out of the MB habit it might be a feeling of excitement and a faster pulse rate. It is also indeed possible to feel quite horny without an erection if you get away from MB.

MB can take away from pleasure more than give it.

All of this might be a clue that it is not natural to be frequent MBers.


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PostPosted: Wed Dec 25, 2013 4:46 am 
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Fully agree Texanguy. I have found new levels and types of arousal during AB.
At one point, I had no idea what my body was going to do to me next, but I knew I would like it!


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PostPosted: Wed Dec 25, 2013 5:07 am 
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Interesting to hear all the varied responses after just an hour or so! porn has lost a lot of it's appeal. I want to stop feeling shame around real women and program my body to get "better" at that. I do get horny a lot, but this is quite different, while being horny makes you want some action or a woman, this feeling is pleasurable in itself. Sometimes it does feel like energy flowing like a stream inside you. And it's actually been going on for the past hour or so at varying levels. An unexpected benefit to be sure! :D

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PostPosted: Wed Dec 25, 2013 5:22 am 
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Why do you feel shame around real women?


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PostPosted: Wed Dec 25, 2013 5:38 am 
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Well, shame might be a too strong of word. I do feel self-conscious and I have heard that psychologically this can happen from porn, and I do notice a difference. I can elaborate if you want a fuller explanation as to exactly why that is.

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PostPosted: Wed Dec 25, 2013 5:44 am 
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xanthier wrote:
I do get horny a lot, but this is quite different, while being horny makes you want some action or a woman, this feeling is pleasurable in itself. Sometimes it does feel like energy flowing like a stream inside you. And it's actually been going on for the past hour or so at varying levels. An unexpected benefit to be sure! :D

I was surprised to learn a while back that this is the same form of 'energy' referred to by some Asian and Indian philosophies, such as some forms of Yoga and Tantric teachings. It is sometimes referred to as 'qi' or 'chi' energy, and retaining it is one reason they recommend abstaining completely from MB. We have developed the term 'T-buzz' for it.


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PostPosted: Wed Dec 25, 2013 6:02 am 
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Awesome Texanguy, I have heard talk about chi and how it relates to masturbation but this is my first encounter with a feeling so tangible.

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PostPosted: Wed Dec 25, 2013 8:48 am 
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Fully agree with you, Texanguy!


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PostPosted: Sun Dec 29, 2013 6:47 pm 
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xanthier wrote:
I'm about 2 weeks in and I sometimes feel this stirring in my loins, like randomly throughout the day. It's just like the beginning of sexual stimulation down there, and it feels REALLY good, like orgasmic. I just wondered if anyone else has experienced anything like this. I'm sure I'm not the first one. I'd like to hear others' stories.

As the replies that followed the above quote demonstrate, these feelings are pretty common. Yet it's a simple fact that the few seconds of orgasm during MB takes the good feelings away and immediately replaces them with regret, negative feelings, low energy, and a loss of enthusiasm. Plus, you can't get the feelings back unless you AB for at least several days.

The obvious conclusion from this is that it feels better not to MB than to MB.

It seems possible that guys can use this new way of looking at MB to help them AB. If you get tempted to MB, just remind yourself that if you do it, all the good feelings you have been feeling will be totally gone in a few seconds, and you will feel let down and negative. It will also take time and effort to get the good feelings back. Yet you can retain the feelings and enjoy them for extended periods of time by not MBing.

WDs do not normally have the same negative aftereffects that MB does. Rather, the feelings after a WD are normally happy, positive, and upbeat. You are immediately ready for another WD. The positive feelings of AB remain and can even be magnified after a WD.

The point of this way of looking at feelings and MB is that if you want to AB to get WDs, you can use this information to see MB as an uninteresting and negative act while looking forward to the much better experience of an intense full body orgasms in WDs. I think this may be a shortcut to the way a lot of full time WDers are. They can feel horny for their next WD while having no interest in MB.

These ideas might help guys new to ABing reach that same level, and make it easier to get WDs.

Summary:
-MB takes away good feelings and replaces them with negative ones. You have to wait at least several days to get them back.
-WDs feel much better, give complete full body orgasms, and have none of the negative aftereffects of MB.
-You can use these ideas to become more like full time WDers; horny and excited for a WD while being turned off by MB.


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PostPosted: Sun Dec 29, 2013 9:48 pm 
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Texanguy wrote:
MB can take away from pleasure more than give it.

All of this might be a clue that it is not natural to be frequent MBers.


Love this!

I also love all the talk about "energy," "chi," etc.

I've sensed in the past that the actual mechanism causing the sensation is precum moving down the urethra as the sensation seems to slowly progress along the shaft of the penis towards the meatus, with radiation into the scrotum. But regardless of what's physically causing the sensation, it's certainly one of the wonderful benefits of abstinence that most guys wouldn't get if they were regularly masturbating.

Congrats! :)

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PostPosted: Mon Dec 30, 2013 4:03 am 
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I think you may be on to something sleepydreamer! Great point!


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Yeah, I agree with your guys' thoughts, and have experienced this as well, and it's great and makes you feel great. Sexual and virile, but in a really positive, "clean," and life-giving way.

To me, abstaining from PMO (porn, masturbation, orgasm) ISN'T abt being asexual. If you want to be asexual, masturbate every day so you don't have any virility the rest of the time. No, a positive type of abstaining is about enjoying yourself as fully male. Only when you abstain most of the time do you experience that virility and the more natural ebbs and flows of you male energy, that "fire in the belly." Only then are you tested and strengthened in developing positive self-control. Only then do you get to experience that natural, full genital/full body type pleasure that the OP was describing--just a natural, innocent, awesome T-buzz that nourishes body and soul. And only then do you get to experience wet dreams! Ha.

Abstaining isn't abt denying your sexuality; it's about developing a healthy, whole-person, truly masculine sexuality. :)


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Awesome! Love this, thanks squeeze! :)

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Squeeze wrote:
To me, abstaining from PMO (porn, masturbation, orgasm) ISN'T abt being asexual. If you want to be asexual, masturbate every day so you don't have any virility the rest of the time.
That's exactly right.

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Only when you abstain most of the time do you experience that virility and the more natural ebbs and flows of you male energy, that "fire in the belly." Only then do you get to experience that natural, full genital/full body type pleasure that the OP was describing--just a natural, innocent, awesome T-buzz that nourishes body and soul.

And only then do you get to experience wet dreams! Ha.

Abstaining isn't abt denying your sexuality; it's about developing a healthy, whole-person, truly masculine sexuality. :)
Good summary.

MB seems to actually be incompatible with mature sexuality, and actually prevents the full genital/full body type pleasure that you mentioned. While occasional MB interferes with this less than more frequent MB, it seems that the optimal MB rate would be zero.

WDs can and should be a part of it, as they are the natural outlet that provides the maximum in full genital/full body type pleasure and the best orgasms, all without the negative effects of MB. The problem is that years or decades of MB can make WDs harder to get. Yet discussions like these pretty much indicate that MB really isn't a viable option. It takes away too much.

To some extent, WDs probably have a psychological component. I think that discussions like this topic can help change that psychology. The brain is more likely to move towards WDs when it really sees MB as not a viable option.


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Hey Squeeze,

Great sum up. Your right. frequent MB steals your masculine drive. That feeling of fullness and enlargement you get in your balls and the sense of being primed for action is amazing, as well as the confident t-buzz.

I had sex after an 8 day AB recently and felt so much more into it. I felt an animal drive and was just naturally pulled through the entire experience in a much more natural and relaxed way. My lady noticed too, right down to being able to feel me shooting inside her at the end.

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