What's your preferred way to use your sexual energy?

[Thursday]

Choose ONE to THREE.

You may enjoy many from the list, or like to have one done for other reasons than enjoyment, e.g. PMs for health. The one-three you should choose is/are the type of sexual energy expression you prefer, i.e. if you like to have no ejaculations at all but have peak orgasms, choose '-O.' You may do other things on the list, but '-Os' are your preferred way to act sexually, in general. You may choose a maximum of THREE if you have a few outlets you equally prefer.

After choosing, please reply on this thread, giving your reason(s) WHY you made the choice(s) that you did. What makes your choice(s) superior to the others on the list? What's bad about the others? What's good about your choice(s?) How does/do your choice(s) make you feel? Are there any health benefits; if so, what are they? Are there any disadvantages of your choice(s?) How does the reality of your sexual life compare to your ideal - are you living your ideal? Do you plan to change your sexual expression in the future? Please give as much information as possible about your choice(s.)



Key:


-E (negative emission - an emission from a PE, MB, or POS.)
Sub Groups:
MB (masturbation - can be both mental and physical.)
PE (premature ejaculation.)
Sub Group:
RO (ruined orgasm.)
POS (peak orgasmic sex with ejaculation.)

E (neutral emission without orgasm - an emission without peak or valley orgasm. All Es are caused by manual or mental stimulation.)
Sub Groups:
PM (prostate massage.)
NOE (non-orgasmic ejaculation.)

+E (positive emission - an emission from an NE, SE or WD.)
Sub Groups:
NE (nocturnal emission - emission during the night while asleep, without a remembered dream.)
WD (wet dream - emission during the night while asleep, accompanied with a dream.)
SE (spontaneous emission/ejaculation - an emission that happens without any stimulation, during the day or night - when conscious/awake or semi-conscious/awake.)

-O (no emission with peak orgasm.)
Sub Group:
NEO (non-ejaculatory orgasm.)

O (no emission and no orgasm - no emission or peak or valley orgasm.)
Sub Group:
DO (denied orgasm.)

+O (no emission with valley orgasm.)
Sub Group:
VOS (valley orgasmic sex.)


So.. the broad categories can be divided as:

These two groups:
O,
E.

These three groups:
Positive (+,)
Negative (-,)
Neutral.


Have you noticed any trend(s) to your result(s)? Did you choose three of the same type, such as three '-s' or three 'Os?' Did you choose two types that are opposite, such as a '+E' and a '-E?' If you chose one only, why is this one so good that you didn't choose two or three types of sexual expression from the list?

[scorkin21]

I would generally prefer to use my sexual energy through orgasms, the feeling when having an orgasm is so just wonderful. Whether I ejavulate or not, that is seriously not important to me.

[Thursday]

This is the new poll, the old thread is locked. If you voted in the last one, can you please vote again in this one.

If you would like to know why I voted as I did, my explanation is on the old thread;
viewtopic.php?f=2&t=3008

I chose NEs, WDs, and VOS. I enjoy having emissions during the night whether or not they're accompanied by erotic dreams that I recall in the morning. It feels natural to me to wake up having had an NE, but not recalling any erotic dream from that night. But of course, as I'm sure a lot of members here would agree with, WDs are very enjoyable! So my ideal forms of emission are NEs and WDs - I don't mind having SEs but would generally prefer to have my emissions during the night, because these feel more natural and WDs are more enjoyable, in general, than SEs. When I say 'feels more natural,' I mean that intuitively it feels like the 'perfect' way for my body to keep its reproductive system healthy is through NEs. I don't think having an erotic dream (or remembering having had one,) every time is necessary to stay healthy. When I get into a sexual relationship with a woman, I'd like to practice VOS and continue to have NEs as my form of fluid-release to keep my reproductive system healthy. An erotic dream would be a bonus. Therefore IMO, the three forms of sexual expression that I've chosen complement each other.

Generally I feel that MB, POS, PEs, and NEOs are negative because they create a dopamine surge and prolactin level increase - apart from when a person doesn't MB until peak orgasm and ejaculation (they edge,) which is negative too IMO because a person is focusing their sexual energy inwardly rather than outwardly towards the other sex and putting it into productive activities, such as study or work. MB is a way to squander your sexual energy IMO. The other choices - E and O - are attractive to me, but less so than +E and +O. If I wasn't having any forms of fluid release, I'd consider having my prostate massaged if I needed to for health reasons. I could also happily go for some time without any orgasm or emission (O,) but I'd prefer to have valley orgasms or some form of emissions. This is because I feel it's healthier, and more enjoyable, to have emissions than none at all, and in a sexual relationship valley orgasms would strengthen our bond.

The trend I've noticed in my results is that I prefer +s - positive emissions or non-emissions. Since I'm not in a relationship, I'm not experiencing valley orgasms right now, however I do feel a high level of sexual energy ('T-buzz' - high testosterone) and harmonious (undisturbed and balanced hormone levels and neurochemistry.) If I'm not having +s, my next favourite form of sexual expression is 'neutral' - Es and Os. I've never had an E - perhaps if I was in a sexual relationship and +Es stopped, I'd ask my wife to give me PMs. Also, when not having VOS, I'd be happy to have non-orgasmic, non-ejaculatory sexual contact such as holding hands, kissing, etc. I'm not sure how being in a sexual relationship would affect my +Es. Os remain secondary to +Os though. -Es are least attractive for the reasons I've mentioned above, and I don't see a need for -Es except in specific circumstances, such as when trying to create a pregnancy. In that scenario, having POS would be the ideal choice. Or perhaps at some point I may have to MB for health reasons - when PM is precluded or not as helpful as MB for health reasons too. My order of preference, from best to worst, therefore, is +s, 'neutral' Es and Os, and -s.

Could you define for me in a little more detail what "peak orgasms" (with or without ejaculation) and "valley orgasms" (again, with or without ejaculation) are?

Peak orgasm is a 'goal-orientated' orgasm where the person builds up their sexual energy to a peak point, has a peak orgasm and expends their sexual energy. The peak orgasm causes a dopamine surge, followed by a dopamine crash and prolactin increase. The person will have this peak orgasm as the end point of their sexual encounter. After that, the sex may be over, or may be extended. The peak orgasm therefore causes the person to 'need' to have another peak orgasm later to boost their dopamine again, and their prolactin remains high, or increases again. This cycle of highs and lows, and excess prolactin, damages the relationship - it pushes the lovers apart. It's OK to have a peak orgasm when trying to create a pregnancy, IMO; when this happens the sexual energy is transferred into the sperm or ovum, into new life being created.

A valley orgasm is when the person doesn't reach a peak during the sexual experience; they have a low level of prolactin and a high level of oxytocin, and a healthily high level of dopamine but not a surge. The lovers are bonded together by the sexual encounter, and the sex doesn't have an end goal - it can last until they choose to stop. Rather than reaching a peak, followed by a crash and hormonal disruption, the lovers feel subtle warmth and happiness to begin with. The sexual energy between the two lovers stays at a high level - both lovers are sexually 'charged.' The sexual energy is shared with their lover, and they feel a long lasting intense orgasm during the sex, but not the 'release' orgasm (peak orgasm) a lot of people are accustomed to. There is a sharing of sexual energy, not a discharge of it. After sex the lovers remain sexually excited and happy - the man still has his erection if he chooses, or if his penis is flaccid he doesn't have to wait for a period of time until he can have another erection. The woman can still have the changes to her vulva and breasts that are caused by sexual arousal. The valley orgasm is better than a peak orgasm for regular, non-procreative sexual encounters -- this is because the orgasm is prolonged and only positive, i.e. without a crash afterwards. It feels different to a peak orgasm, and it's something that people have to experience to fully understand how it feels.

If the sexual encounter is divided into ten parts, peak orgasm during sex may look like this:

From a peak orgasm last time the person had an orgasm:

0 0 1 1 2 3 4 5 0 0

Or, if the person has had a valley orgasm as their last orgasm:

3 3 3 3 3 4 5 5 0 0

Whereas a valley orgasm may look like this:

3 4 5 5 5 5 5 5 4 3

The number is out of five - this is the highest. Zero is sexually depleted, one equals some sexual energy (a low level,) two equals a medium amount of sexual energy, three is sexually charged - n.b. both two and three can occur in people with the energy from abstaining from MB/POS, or while people are having sex, four is very aroused - such as the plateau phase, and five is an orgasm. Ejaculation may occur with orgasm, peak orgasm in particular, but it doesn't necessarily have to. As you can see, the peak orgasm is short and reached by an increase from zero (no sexual energy,) or three (they begin with a sexual charge,) to a brief orgasm (five.) This orgasm lasts longer, and is more intense if the person already has a reserve of sexual energy. Five is an orgasm, but most people realise that an orgasm from MB or POS, having MB'd or had POS a few times every day long-term, is not as intense as a peak-orgasm after a few weeks of sexual abstinence. This is because the person's sexual energy level has increased - so there is more to discharge: when a person abstains from waking peak orgasms, their sexual energy increases. People who regularly MB or have POS will have no sexual energy - they don't have a 'T-buzz,' or a 'sexually charged-up' feeling. When a person abstains long-term, their sexual energy will increase, so that when they have VOS it will feel more powerful and be more enjoyable. The valley orgasm doesn't have a sudden drop-off after the orgasm, and the couple are always at least at number three - they have a sexual energy charge. This increases during sex into the valley orgasm (number five.)

About the ejaculation part: ejaculation is separate to orgasm. People can ejaculate spontaneously, nocturnally, prematurely, with an orgasm, after having an orgasm, etc. A lot of people will have a peak orgasm and a ejaculation at the same time, but it's possible to have an orgasm without ejaculating. While having a valley orgasm, the person may become so sexually stimulated that they ejaculate. We can learn to control ejaculation, and choose to enjoy the orgasm but not ejaculate. Some people may prefer to ejaculate with their orgasms, or may see it as a negative occurrence, or only like to ejaculate when trying to create a pregnancy.

Once I had an SE and had an erection right away afterwards - unlike after MB where my erection usually goes away pretty quickly after I ejaculate. This shows that ejaculation doesn't cause the body to produce prolactin, and a dopamine surge. There was no crash after my SE, nor is there after my WDs. My view is that it's best to cut out orgasms with ejaculations, apart from when trying to procreate.

Thanks, Thursday.

[sopater]

Choose ONE to THREE.

You may enjoy many from the list, or like to have one done for other reasons than enjoyment, e.g. PMs for health. The one-three you should choose is/are the type of sexual energy expression you prefer, i.e. if you like to have no ejaculations at all but have peak orgasms, choose '-O.' You may do other things on the list, but '-Os' are your preferred way to act sexually, in general. You may choose a maximum of THREE if you have a few outlets you equally prefer.

After choosing, please reply on this thread, giving your reason(s) WHY you made the choice(s) that you did. What makes your choice(s) superior to the others on the list? What's bad about the others? What's good about your choice(s?) How does/do your choice(s) make you feel? Are there any health benefits; if so, what are they? Are there any disadvantages of your choice(s?) How does the reality of your sexual life compare to your ideal - are you living your ideal? Do you plan to change your sexual expression in the future? Please give as much information as possible about your choice(s.)



Key:


-E (negative emission - an emission from a PE, MB, or POS.)
Sub Groups:
MB (masturbation - can be both mental and physical.)
PE (premature ejaculation.)
Sub Group:
RO (ruined orgasm.)
POS (peak orgasmic sex with ejaculation.)

E (neutral emission without orgasm - an emission without peak or valley orgasm. All Es are caused by manual or mental stimulation.)
Sub Groups:
PM (prostate massage.)
NOE (non-orgasmic ejaculation.)

+E (positive emission - an emission from an NE, SE or WD.)
Sub Groups:
NE (nocturnal emission - emission during the night while asleep, without a remembered dream.)
WD (wet dream - emission during the night while asleep, accompanied with a dream.)
SE (spontaneous emission/ejaculation - an emission that happens without any stimulation, during the day or night - when conscious/awake or semi-conscious/awake.)


-O (no emission with peak orgasm.)
Sub Group:
NEO (non-ejaculatory orgasm.)

O (no emission and no orgasm - no emission or peak or valley orgasm.)
Sub Group:
DO (denied orgasm.)

+O (no emission with valley orgasm.)
Sub Group:
VOS (valley orgasmic sex.)


So.. the broad categories can be divided as:

These two groups:
O,
E.

These three groups:
Positive (+,)
Negative (-,)
Neutral.


Have you noticed any trend(s) to your result(s)? Did you choose three of the same type, such as three '-s' or three 'Os?' Did you choose two types that are opposite, such as a '+E' and a '-E?' If you chose one only, why is this one so good that you didn't choose two or three types of sexual expression from the list?

I choose to have peak orgasmic sex in betwixed abstinence.
Reason being: After all that abstinence it is a reward to have the real thing.

[polar]

Interesting poll. I voted for VOS (valley orgasmic sex) only, which seems closest to what we do most of the time.

I've also been having POS about once a month, at my wife's insistence (she thinks these are necessary, or at least beneficial for health reasons), but I can't really say I "prefer" that. It takes more than a week to recover from the resulting loss of energy, always a bit of a drag. If we have sex during that time, it feels somehow unnatural, sort of a "disconnected" sense, and far less enjoyable than usual.

I'd never thought about relying on nocturnal emissions (or, perhaps WDs) to take care of physical needs. I wonder if it's possible for me to start having them at this stage in life, without giving up or cutting back on the VOS we like so much?

At 40 days now, maybe I'll ask her to let me forgo the POS for at least another month or two, and just seek what happens.

[lovegeneration]

Great poll!

[cpu_manu]

I voted for ejaculation without orgasm because it is quite messy, and that turns me on a bit, also, I enjoy alot to masturbate just after using my own cum as a lubricant.

[babapua]

hi, I prefer to use my sexual energy to pick up women and then have sex with them and then pick up a new one

is anyone with me ?

i realized that i am more active in picking up women when i am not masturbating (not even touching) and my only allowed way to relieve myself is with a new women every time

[PUNK ROCKER DOOKIE]

1- Peak Orgasmic Sex is my 1st choice because I find it to be the most fulfilling emotionally and physically. While I do get a short period of time where I want to just relax, it is generally never a problem. The inner peace of having a complete orgasm and ejaculation and the bond of having satisfied my partner far overshadows any short term physical let down. In general I am at peace with the world, can think better and have a more positive outlook after a peak orgasmic sexual encounter.
2- Masturbation with ejaculation is my 2nd choice. It is only 2nd to peak orgasmic sex because of course there is no bonding with another person with masturbation. I place it ahead of wet dreams because it puts me in control of when or if I decide to ejaculate and orgasm. Masturbation can fulfill me physically and brings the same mental and physical positives as peak orgasmic sex except for the closeness with your partner that POS brings.
3- I place wet dreams as my 3rd choice mainly because they make me feel not in control sexually. I have had quite a few WDs in life and enjoy the usually large ejaculation and weird or erotic dream that often comes with a WD. What I don't enjoy is the unpredictable nature of solely having WDs. If I could have WDs every 2 or 3 days max regularly then I suppose I would rate them 2nd. That is the problem though. On my last experience with WDs, I had a few in a somewhat short period of time and was temporarally able to be patient waiting for the next one. However, after going over about 80 or 90 days waiting for the next WD, I turned into a basket case. I became short tempered, often didn't sleep well and generally felt on edge most of the time. On top of that I would have many erections at unwanted times and walk around about half the time at least semi hard. This put a real mental strain on me to not even touch my penis for fear I would go all the way and ruin the chance of a WD. So finally after about 3 months of no release I simply couldn't take it any more mentally or physically and had an awesome jack off session. I had a major guilt trip for about the next 2 or 3 weeks for breaking down and going back to MBing. Once I recovered from the guilts, I did a little soul searching and decided that since I didn't have a GF to fulfill my physical and mental needs, MBing was a much better sexual outlet than relying on unpredictable wet dreams to fulfill my physical need for regular sexual release.

[kayv]

Peak Orgasmic Sex
I luv it mannnnnn
This is mah best choice hehehe