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I gave up masturbation in the spring of 2007. Here are some things that helped.

5HTP - this stuff is legal, and in coated form, isn't so hard on the stomach. It has taken the bite, and then some, out of my sex drive. It doesn't destroy the drive, but it makes it takes the impulsiveness out of it.

Valerian - this herb is great for reducing sex drive at night - it reduces the drive, makes it harder to get an erection, and very difficult to achieve an ejaculation.

Prostate massage - yes the fluids build up - if your body will deal with them by way of a wet dream, great. If not, a prostate massage will be needed. But, if the idea of sticking fingers or devices back there repulses you, check out the Prostate Cradle. It does not go inside - in fact, you can sit on it in your underwear. In fact, I am doing just that while I type. It kneeds out the excess fluid while you rock back and forth. It feels nice, but is not erotic. And, it relieves prostate congestion. I use it regularly.

Aneros assisted wet dream - I have never had a natural wet dream. I have tried. But, I have had an assisted wet dream using an Aneros. If you don't mind the cost and the fact that you insert it back there, it can do some wonderful things. I use the original, thin one. Insert it before bed. The muscles make it work its magic while you sleep. I use it occassionally.

Masturbation is an addictive habit - and when linked with porn and nasty fantasies - as it so often is - it is sinful and wrong.

Phil

Just a few questions:

How did you ever find out about sex drive reducing herbs? How well do those work? Any side affects?

You mention the aneros assisted dream. Do you think this causes an ejaculation and orgasm, or is it just prostate message while you sleep? Were there actual dreams to go with this experience?

I searched on Google a lot - trying to identify herbs that reduce the sex drive.

With my Aneros wet dreams, there is always a very vivid dream. The most recent one was of a nurse examining me "road Trip" style.

Phil

I've been taking 5HTP for a long time too. It's a brilliant supplement which helps with mood and sleep, it doesn't affect my libido at all. It helps the body to create serotonin, and is best taken IMHO with a carbohydrate snack, before going to sleep.

I've never heard of that before. I started taking Valerian AFTER I started abstaining to see if I could still have WDs. I was having trouble sleeping - maybe because of my system not being used to abstaining. The sleeping difficulty seems to be resolved so I think I'll quit using the Valerian. I went 30+ days before caving the first time and now 23 days this go around without a WD so maybe the Valerian is keeping me from having a WD.

I find valerian actually helps me to have a wet dream or for prostate massage. But it makes me lose interest in MB.

Phil

Weak opioids such tramadol, codeine and dihydrocodeine reduce testosterone levels, thus reduce libido. You can buy codeine and dihydrocodeine compounded with paracetamol from pharmacies, and you can but codeine and tramadol from online pharmacies such as pharmamedics.com (with prescription.) Tramadol is particularly effective in reducing libido and compulsive sexual behaviour due to it's serotonin reuptake inhibition effects. Testosterone levels recover after withdrawal from these medicines, but long term high dose use of tramadol could cause PSSRISD [post selective serotonin reuptake inhibitor sexual dysfunction] so tramadol is not the best choice of the three for long-term use (IE. for more than one year.) Strong opioids such as morphine, diamorphine (Heroin,) buprenorphine (Temgesic,) etc. reduce libido more than the weaker opioids do, but are only available on prescription and GPs are reluctant to prescribe these medicines due to their high potential for misuse.

That is remarkable!

How reliable is the Aneros for you? I mean, when you put it in before sleep, what is the likelihood of a WD? Is there a point of diminishing returns: If you put it in too often, would the likelihood of a WD decrease? How often have you had an Aneros assisted WD?

I once had an Aneros, and threw it away. I wish I had it back now. Who knew? They don't advertise that, as I recall. Do you know if other men have used it that way?

Prostate massage reduces the likelihood of WDs. Chacun à leurs propres.

Sleeping with the Aneros on an occassional basis seems to give me a 50% chance at a wet dream. Mind you, that is based on occassional use. I think it is necessary to have a good "supply" stored up too. However, for someone who abstained from masturbation or any other awake sexual release, perhaps try using it for two nights in a row once every two weeks. That frequency seems to work for me.

By the way - I cut the tail off my Aneros - the tail being the annoying part that sticks outward and would make sleeping on your back a real problem! I sawed it off, then sanded the sharp area smooth with fine e.g. 400 sandpaper.

Some of the newer Aneros have less of a tail. The progasm looks especially interesting - however, I think one should be acustomed to some anal penetration first before trying something of that size.

Condoms can be used on an Aneros for ease of cleanup.

Phil

I have an Aneros, but I never slept with it in!

Maybe I should try it. I don't know if I could sleep with that thing in my rectum all night though. After a long time you get the feeling you need to take a poop.

I don't get much pleasure out of the Aneros in general though. Makes for more powerful orgasms, and I do seem to cum more when using it, but I don't get those intense anal orgasms or whole body orgasms that they advertise. I think some guys have more sensitive prostates and perenium areas than others, and it probably works better for those who have sensitive prostates.

That progasm does look interesting. One of my complaints about the Aneros was the diameter of it was too small to provide any meaningful stimulation. The progasm is much thicker and looks like it might do the trick better. Although there is no way I would be able to sleep with something that big inside me. Too bad its so damned expensive - I would hate to spend that kind of money and be disappointed with it.

The key is not to try very hard. I found the more you relax, the more the hidden internal muscles take over and things get very nice. Part of the reason I find it works so well at night.

So you can relax, you need to be empty first. Another good reason for occassional, rather than frequent, use.

Phil

I tried relaxing. I tried using it for hours. It just doesn't provide much sensation for me. In fact, it doesn't really reach my prostate, unless I manually hold it with my hand and force it up and towards the front of my body more - only then does it touch my prostate. Maybe my prostate is further up and forward than most, I dunno. I can do a nice prostate massage with it when I force it up and forward like that though.

Sounds like the size is not quite right - a little too short for you. I have used the crystal wand deluxe with good results, but it is more hands on. The prostate cradle takes an external approach and works well for me.

Phil

You're giving yourself a prostate massage (and may be stimulating your anus too) by having a running vibrator in your rectum while you sleep, so the fluid released is caused by stimulation of your prostate gland and perhaps your anal nerve endings. A true WD is not caused by physical stimulation of your prostate gland, or anus. So you're performing a nocturnal prostate massage and causing a fluid release, not having a WD.

I'm not sure I understand. I thought you said that valarian makes it difficult to ejaculate. Wouldn't that mean it would be more difficult to get a WD if you take it?

Do you know of any supplements that increase the chance of getting a WD?

Zinc helps, as do the omega-spectrum fatty acids (3, 5, 6, 7, 9.) Copper should be taken with zinc, as zinc lowers the body's copper levels. Drinking plenty of water and having a balanced diet, that includes supplementation with vitamins and minerals that you're not getting high enough levels from your meals alone, helps too, as does exercise and general eustress. Pelvic floor exercises may help, they're good to do anyway even if they don't increase the frequency of WDs. Aptogens may also help.

Thursday,

An Aneros is not a vibrator. Not electrical at all.

And Phil reported earlier that his nocturnal ejaculations were in fact triggered by dreams. Granted, he has never had a wet dream without an Aneros. But still, I would call what he had an Aneros assisted, but nevertheless "true," WD.

From their website:

"[..] the Aneros provides incredible sexual pleasure by directly stimulating the prostate [..]"

OK it's not electrical, so it's a dildo not a vibrator - that doesn't make much difference, if a fluid release is caused by having his prostate stimulated then it's not a WD. He's MB'ing nocturnally.

Good point. Using the Aneros while sleeping is kind of a grey area as to whether that could be considered a form of MB or not. WD's should occur naturally without any physical stimulation or use of devices. However, that doesn't mean a WD couldn't happen with something like the Aneros used while sleeping. Its just the Aneros would be an artificial WD trigger.

I'll have to try it some night - a night where I can afford not to sleep well, as I suspect I won't be able to sleep well with the Aneros inside me.

I don't think it's a grey area. Any type of manual self stimulation - by your hands or devices or anything - is masturbation. This is self stimulation (MB) using a device, that in this case puts pressure on the prostate gland and may rub against it (massage it) during sleep due to natural bodily movements. WDs are created by the brain.

I am going to throw in my two cents and say it isn't exactly cut and dry.

While the Aneros certainly qualifies as a sort of masturbation, there isn't enough evidence to know exactly what is causing the ejaculation in this case. It may be this is some sort of masturbation triggered wet dream, but it is a bit difficult to determine what the proximate cause of the climax is. Certainly the initial cause is the stimulation from the Aneros, but that may only be a small part of the story. It is similar to the idea some have suggested of physical stimuli potentially playing a role in ordinary wet dreams.

In any case, I would be tempted to say this may be a case of both/and rather then either/or. This may be both masturbation and a wet dream process acting together.

It would be interesting to compare brain and other neural activity during one of these events to a pure wet dream and to waking masturbation of the same type, but I doubt anyone is going to fund that project.

Plil,

"Occasional use" is kind of vague. For the sake of clarity, how many Aneros assisted WDs have you had?

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hmmm to young to get pills.

how the hell does number 2 work and well?

what the hell is Aneros assisted wet dream thingy lol.

not being rude just like to know.

cuz im finding it a lil tricky at the mo

Valerian Root is a natural herb that you buy anywhere that sells vitamins. It's a natural sleep enhancer. I take it sometimes when I have difficulty sleeping while abstaining (abstaining disrupts my sleep pattern and causes me to wake up too early - usually from erections that are so hard they hurt). Once I'm up I have a tough time falling back asleep, especially if I'm hard and horny. Valerian Root helps, but it takes about an hour to take effect after you take them.

I don't think Valerian has any effects on WD's though, and there's no side effects that I'm aware of.

You can learn about the Aneros at the manufacturer's web site: http://www.aneros.com